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    Question Ephedrine & Ephedra?

    I have been doing A lot of reading about ECA stack
    Is there a difference between ephedrine & Ephedra? What’s the aspirin for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckdiaz
    I have been doing A lot of reading about ECA stack
    Is there a difference between ephedrine & Ephedra? What’s the aspirin for?
    i don't think you've been doing enough reading...

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    yeah man, you gotta do some more reading if you dont know that much

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    Mechanism of Effect in Weight Loss

    The effects of the ECA stack in weight loss are primarily due to the ephedrine component. Ephedrine acts as a beta agonist and stimulates the release of noradrenaline. The noradrenaline in the body then acts on brown adipose tissue [Please Note: Human adults have little to no brown adipose tissue... this section needs to be corrected!] by increasing cAMP levels, which is said to be a thermogenic effect, raising body temperature by about 2 degrees and increasing the user's metabolism by 10% in conjunction with the rest of the stack.

    However, the body's negative feedback system then activates to normalize the metabolism. This is done via the production of phosphodiesterase inside the cells, and prostaglandins outside the cell, which both lower cAMP levels within the cell.

    Caffeine inhibits the production of phosphodiesterase inside the cell and therefore slows the cAMP breakdown. It also, in binding with adenosine receptors in the brain, triggers the release of adrenaline which increases cAMP levels further.

    Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by substaining elevated cAMP levels.

    Ephedrine also has an anorectic, or appetite suppressant effect. The mechanisms behind this are not fully understood, but this aids in weight loss as well. However, these effects only last for about two weeks if the stack is not cycled as the body becomes tolerant to ephedrine to some degree. It is estimated that 60%–75% of the weight loss from using the ECA stack comes from the anorectic effect, and the remainder from thermogenesis.

    The final component in weight loss of the ECA stack is that of a simple stimulant; the higher adrenaline and noradrenaline levels result in increased aerobic exercise performance and less fatigue.
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    Mechanisms of Effect in Energy Gain

    Ephedrine acts to increase energy by its actions as a sympathomimetic amine. It directly acts to increase noradrenaline levels in the brain by displacing it from the synapic cleft, and also partially serves as a noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor thereby also partially functioning as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor due to the shared action between the two terminals. Caffeine blocks adenosine receptors which lessens feelings of tiredness, and also increases dopamine levels, resulting in greater concentration, focus, and memory. The effects of caffeine on dopamine levels are usually short lived, but ephedrine's partial action as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor lengthens the duration.
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    Dosage

    Typically the ECA stack is consumed two or three times per day in a 1:10:10 or 1:10:15 ratio of ephedrine:caffeine:aspirin. These ratios vary across studies and across users but despite variance they all seem to be effective. Usually, no more than 25 mg of ephedrine or 200 mg of caffeine is consumed in a single dose. It is not recommended that the stack be taken past late afternoon as this contributes to insomnia .
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    Addiction

    While ephedrine and aspirin are not physically addictive, caffeine is, and users develop a tolerance to lowered adenosine levels, leading to withdrawal symptoms from adenosine sensitivity if caffeine use is discontinued too quickly. Psychological addiction to ephedrine and caffeine are also possible.
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    Risks

    The primary risk of the ECA stack is in the effects of ephedrine on a pre-existing heart condition. Ephedrine has been linked to deaths in people with valve damage, cardiac hypertrophy, and other heart problems and heart disease. It is not recommended that stimulants be taken in users with a pre-existing heart condition. Additionally, there is some evidence that the long term use of amphetamines can lead to heart damage, but this has not been shown for ephedrine use.

    Caffeine and ephedrine also act to raise blood pressure by approximately 4–7 mmHg on average, so users with existing hypertension must be careful that the stack does not increase their blood pressure to dangerous levels—especially during exercise (for example, by lifting exceptionally heavy weights). The presence of aspirin in the stack does thin the blood, and counteracts this partially.

    Other risks include insomnia, dry mouth, irritability, stress, euphoria, headache, dizziness, nausea, irregular heartbeat, interaction with MAO inhibitors, trembling hands, increased need for water and potassium, and psychosis resulting from the long-term use of ephedrine.
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    Controversy and Legality

    Due to deaths linked to ephedrine many countries have taken steps to outlaw or control ephedrine. In the US, it is still legal to purchase as a bronchial decongestant with an expectorant, but cannot be purchased in pure form or in a pre-existing stack.

    If ephedrine cannot be obtained, pseudoephedrine, ephedrine's optical isomer, can be substituted in. Contrary to popular belief studies have shown pseudoephedrine to have a thermogenic effect; approximately three times less than L-ephedrine. Therefore, three Sudafed tablets, or 90 mg pseudoephedrine should provide approximately the same thermogenic effect as 25 mg ephedrine, but the overall effects of a pseudoephedrine based stack compared to an ephedrine based stack have not been studied (it is unlikely that PSE would produce an anoretic effect due to the low CNS activity, which is responsible for ~75% of the ECA stack's weight loss). Despite its safety record, many countries are banning or restricting sales of over the counter pseudoephedrine as well, due to its use in clandestine methamphetamine manufacture.

    As of 4/14/2005, U.S. District Judge Tena Campbell struck down the FDA's ban of ephedrine in the US, which may pave the way for its reintroduction as a weight loss supplement in the US.

    Many people have felt that ephedrine is not worth the risks, and have tried "ephedrine free" stack formulas. However, there is no proof that any of these formulations are actually effective, whereas a great deal of evidence exists to support the effectiveness of the ECA stack, albeit with risks.
    thats a good start

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    Quote Originally Posted by novastepp
    i don't think you've been doing enough reading...
    Could you point me to the New Booty Newbie section?lol.. I have read a lot of question regarding this, and other supplements. It’s just so hard to understand when they use acronyms that I’m not familiar with, I have read some post that are very informative, then it turns into a presidential debate. I love the site; I know it will take some time for me to get down the lingo.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckdiaz
    Could you point me to the New Booty Newbie section?lol.. I have read a lot of question regarding this, and other supplements. It’s just so hard to understand when they use acronyms that I’m not familiar with, I have read some post that are very informative, then it turns into a presidential debate. I love the site; I know it will take some time for me to get down the lingo.

    Thanks for the info.
    if you do a search in the supp forum for ECA or ephedrine or ephedra, you will find many many threads about this. if i find any inparticular i will post em for ya bro!

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