convertion rate of 4-AD to Test

**Newbee** · 08-17-2004, 02:43 PM

I've read that the actual conversion rate of 4-AD to test is about 16 %. I think this is the conversion rate of 4-AD that actually gets absorbed. My question is: How much actually gets absorbed with topical 4-AD products such as 4-derm?

**dogsofwar** · 08-17-2004, 03:23 PM

Good question. bump

**Bryan2** · 08-17-2004, 05:31 PM

conversion rates and absorbtion rates are different

conversion rates for 4 ad are 15.76mg of test for every 100mg of 4ad considering your pinning with 100% absorbtion

now transdermal is only about 65% absorbtion so if you applyied 100mg trans youd only get around 7-9 mgs of test

if going with transdermal id suggest dmso for the highest absorbtion rate possible

**dogsofwar** · 08-17-2004, 06:37 PM

Dmso stanks like hot nasty rotten garlicy garbage. Even at 99.9% pure. If you can stand the gag factor, you will be set. But if your lookin to impress the ladies, you may strike out.

**bigordie** · 08-17-2004, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

conversion rates and absorbtion rates are different

conversion rates for 4 ad are 15.76mg of test for every 100mg of 4ad considering your pinning with 100% absorbtion

now transdermal is only about 65% absorbtion so if you applyied 100mg trans youd only get around 7-9 mgs of test

if going with transdermal id suggest dmso for the highest absorbtion rate possible

good post...i didnt know it was that low with transdermals

**Bryan2** · 08-17-2004, 11:19 PM

ive used 99.9 % dmso that wasnt bad at all it didnt smell that bad at all i guess i got lucky didnt make my breath stink either there is another one out there that starts with a d but im not sure what it was i think you just gotta find the right brand dmso

**Newbee** · 08-18-2004, 10:12 AM

could I add some 4-AD powder to my 4-derm to make it stronger or do I need to keep the concentration where it is at? Also, is 4-derm any good or do I need something that has dmso?

**Newbee** · 08-18-2004, 10:14 AM

where did you find any info on the absorbtion rate of transdermals?

**Bryan2** · 08-19-2004, 01:48 AM

various other boards,friends,when research a fina cycle,internet has everything you need to know bro
yeah newbie i would only add about 4 extra grams to your 4 derm though and ad very slowly 500mg to a gram at a time and wait for it to disolve until adding more
4 derm works really well and they dont make any comercial applications with dmso but you could add the dmso to application sites after adding the 4 derm for supperior absorbtion.