New cycle

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 11:37 AM

weeks 1-4: 10 gm M1t ED
weeks 1-4: 30 mg Winstrol ED
weeks 1-4: About 500 mg 4-ad ED
weeks 1-4: Milk thistle 1 gram/ED
weeks 1-4: Hawthorne Berry 1 gram/ED
weeks 1-4: Nolvadex 15 mg ED
weeks 1-4: Oral B-12 4000 mcg ED
weeks 1-4: Multivitamin twice ED

weeks 5-7: Clomid (300-100-50)
weeks 5-8: Nolvadex 15 mg ED
weeks 5-8: Milk thistle 1 gram/ED
weeks 5-8: Oral B-12 4000 mcg ED
weeks 5-8: Multivitamin twice ED
weeks 5-8: Swole V2 2 scoops ED

I am 5'8" 180 about 7% BF.

Going to decide this weekend if im going to use creatine monohydrate during the first month or if im going to go with ECY. Tell me what you guys think?

**limppimp85204** · 08-21-2004, 12:19 PM

Don't think you need the nolva past week 4 as the 4-AD isn't nearly an aromatizer as M1T

**bulldawg_28** · 08-21-2004, 12:32 PM

Are you sure you should run the winny with the m1t? Also wouldn't the winny shut you down even though you would be using 500mg of 4-ad? Other than that it looks good bro. Good luck!

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 12:47 PM

I want to try winny and m1t, Im running milk thistle through the actual cycle so that should keep my liver somewhat healthy. M1t is going to have me shut down pretty hard, im not really worried aobut the winstrol shutting down my hopta, can't be worse than m1t. The hopta suppression is part of the reason im using so much 4-ad, that and its basicly a test base for the cycle, cuz i'll have so much exogeneous test in me.

**yooo** · 08-21-2004, 03:14 PM

looks pretty good... i can imagine u gettin pretty hard but still packin weight on...

good luck

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by yooo

looks pretty good... i can imagine u gettin pretty hard but still packin weight on...

good luck

Thats what im going for, im looking to be 190-200 and hard as a rock.

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by yooo

looks pretty good... i can imagine u gettin pretty hard but still packin weight on...

good luck

Thats what im going for, im looking to be 190-200 and hard as a rock.

**bigordie** · 08-21-2004, 06:46 PM

thats a lot on the liver if your doin the winny tabs...but i would like to see how this works out for ya. Good luck. when do you plan on starting?

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 06:54 PM

Its really not that bad on your liver, especially if your running milk thistle. Considering most people who do a cycle with winstrol in it run winny at 50 mg ED. I started it on thursday.

**gio86** · 08-21-2004, 06:57 PM

NSA bro your cycle is exacly the way i like to run mine.. im also looking up to gain some pounds but hard as a rock. thats always my goal.
keep me posted on how it goes.
you probobly know what my cycle is gonna be and ill be week 1-4 m1t 20mg
and 4ad 400mg....im not sure if running nolva during the whole cycle. should i???

by they way good look with your cycle

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 07:42 PM

You could run nolvadex . Not a neccesity but you could. Most people who don't run it, do this simply because they won't want to waste the nolvadex.

**bigordie** · 08-21-2004, 09:04 PM

yeah, you should post this up in the steroid forum see what some of them say about it...nevermind i already know what they would say...m1t is not a sub for test...wheres the test. test test test....hahahahha. Good luck bro if everything goes good with that i might try it out too. are you goin with ppl for the winny.

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 09:12 PM

4-ad is the test...

**bigordie** · 08-21-2004, 09:13 PM

nevermind

**nsa** · 08-21-2004, 09:20 PM

The 4-ad turns out to be a little over 350 mg of test each week, when you factor in the absorbtion rate and conversion rate. So thats essentially about the same as 50 mg of test base ED.

**bigordie** · 08-21-2004, 09:49 PM

looks solid bro good luck

**Bryan2** · 08-22-2004, 01:31 AM

you are doing oral 4 ad or trans or pinning?

i would really bump the winny up to 6 weeks
oral b12 will help but seriously it almost all gets chewed up by the gut!!! only 5 % absorbtion when i was at 5000mcg every day i only noticed minor hunger!!!

im guessing trans 4 ad because you say 50mg everyday of test

since you are going with winny id wait for the creatine i know it bloats me some and it would defeat the winnys purpose anyway it sounds like a very sound cycle to me have fun and keep this thread updated with results id love to know the outcome!!!

**nsa** · 08-22-2004, 01:37 AM

Yeah, its transdermal 4-ad.

I have decided to go with ECY along with that stack. Instead of creatine.
Should get me pretty cut up.

**bigordie** · 08-22-2004, 09:52 AM

i think you will be happy with the b12 at 4000mcgs ed. Thats what i do 2000am and 2000pm. I get so hungry every two hours i feel nautious. the stuff is great.