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**Essy** · 08-09-2004, 01:05 PM

Due to gyno I am unable to due AS. I have never taken any supplements. Can you guys suggest the best supplements to help me bulk.

**nj123** · 08-09-2004, 02:08 PM

im with you, i wanted to do a cycle but m1t made my puberty gyno worse and now if i do a cycle i dont want it to get any worse. Did you try nolva for like 2 months?

**nsa** · 08-09-2004, 02:56 PM

Don't do m1t or anything androgenic , stick to protein, multi and creatine.

**Essy** · 08-09-2004, 08:41 PM

Nolva will not help gyno.

**Essy** · 08-09-2004, 08:42 PM

Nolva will not help gyno.

**Essy** · 08-09-2004, 08:50 PM

Why should I not do m1t or anything androgenic ?

Originally Posted by nsa

Don't do m1t or anything androgenic, stick to protein, multi and creatine.

**nsa** · 08-09-2004, 09:16 PM

Nolvadex will help gyno...

And you don't want to use anything androgenic or anything that could your body to produce estrogen, because you could make your gyno worse...

**Essy** · 08-18-2004, 06:21 PM

I was told that m1t does not produce gyno.

**ImmmtheIceman** · 08-18-2004, 06:41 PM

Im not sure if m1t produces gyno or not, but i suggest taking nolva for awhile, and sticking with protein, creatine, etc.

**bigordie** · 08-18-2004, 07:42 PM

m1t does not produce gyno...but after you take m1t (during PCT) your test and estrogen levels will be out of wack. Your body will be producing excess estrogen and that is what can cause gyno. That is also why proper pct is needed for m1t. I have also heard of progesterone problems but i dont know much about that.

**Essy** · 08-20-2004, 07:33 PM

****, I was really looking foward to taking m1t. Is there anything else out there like m1t that will help me gain size. I am getting my bulking diet but want something that will help the process. Thanks for all info

**nsa** · 08-20-2004, 07:45 PM

The 4-ad with m1t can easily aromatize.

**Essy** · 08-22-2004, 04:08 PM

I was told that its not necessary to take 4-ad with m1t. If I dont take the 4-ad do I still have to worry about it aromatizing?

**nsa** · 08-22-2004, 04:25 PM

No, you won't need to worry about that. But you should have some kind of testosterone in any anabolic cycle. IMO you don't need this stuff to make gains. If you stick with protein, multi and creatine, you can make good gains naturally.

**Essy** · 08-22-2004, 04:35 PM

So what kind of results would I get if I took m1t without 4ad and what side effects would I get becuase of not using the 4-ad. I am 190 and really want to get over 200lbs. I am ordering v12 turbo as we speak any suggestions on anything else I should order?

**nsa** · 08-22-2004, 04:56 PM

You would make some good gains from that, but you will surely be very lethargic and have no libido. Honestly i wouldn't do it if i was in your position.

You should order protein and a multivitamin, along with the creatine you ordered that should be more than enough to show you gains with a solid diet and training split.

**Essy** · 08-22-2004, 05:01 PM

Thanks

**Bryan2** · 08-22-2004, 06:57 PM

ive cycled m1t with gyno just be sure to take 20mg of nolva ed and into pct and throw in 200mg of vit b6 to keep progesterone and prolactin down and if you really want get some adex

**nsa** · 08-22-2004, 07:23 PM

Progesterone isn't a factor if your not going to run 4-ad.

**Essy** · 08-25-2004, 01:00 PM

Did you take 4-ad? Is there anythin I can take besides 4-ad that will help with me getting tired. I can always take viagra for my libido right?

Originally Posted by Bryan2

ive cycled m1t with gyno just be sure to take 20mg of nolva ed and into pct and throw in 200mg of vit b6 to keep progesterone and prolactin down and if you really want get some adex

**Bryan2** · 08-25-2004, 02:08 PM

yeah i took 4 ad nolva will keep the estro away and viagra will just help keep you up not help with actual drive to want it.
you could try and take 3 alpha or 5 alpha with it these will turn into dht which is incapable of forming estro and have a caffiene supplement around.

im not sure that m1t produces progesterone or prolactin rise but since its incapable of forming gyno and ive heard so many gyno reports with it especially the ones who are lactating im guessing that is could have something to do with it like other androgens that are incapable tren and deca but this again is skewd because those are both in themselves progesterone derivatives. but i dont like to mess around with my gyno so i threw in 20mg nolva and 200mg b6 and was cool just run the nolva for a long time even after the cycle concludes like 5 weeks or so.