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    Pro-Hormone = Steroids

    Tell me if I am understanding this right????


    1, 4Andro = EQ

    4-diol = Test

    NorDiol = Deca

    5 Diol = ?

    1 AD= 1-Test

    3 Alpha = ?

    Am I right so far (with the exception of the 2 I didn't know)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    Tell me if I am understanding this right????


    1, 4Andro = EQ
    Boldenone , EQ without the ester

    4-diol = Test

    NorDiol = Deca
    Nandrolone , deca without the ester

    5 Diol = ?

    1 AD= 1-Test

    3 Alpha = ?

    Am I right so far (with the exception of the 2 I didn't know)?
    Corrections in CAPS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    Corrections in CAPS...
    What are the steroidal equivalents of the two I didnt know? 3- Alpha is a DHT pre-cursor I am assuming. What's up with the 5-Diol?

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    5-andro is an anabolic testosterone precursor much like androstenedione. An enzyme in the liver (17-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) converts it to testosterone, so it's basically one step away. Its technical name is 5-androstene-3-beta,17-beta-diol.

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    3-alpha androstenediol and 3-beta androstenediol are precursors to the highly androgenic compound dihydrotestosterone (DHT)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    5-andro is an anabolic testosterone precursor much like androstenedione. An enzyme in the liver (17-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) converts it to testosterone, so it's basically one step away. Its technical name is 5-androstene-3-beta,17-beta-diol.
    OK, but 4 is more bioavailable than 5, is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    Tell me if I am understanding this right????


    1, 4Andro = EQ

    4-diol = Test

    NorDiol = Deca

    5 Diol = ?

    1 AD= 1-Test

    3 Alpha = ?

    Am I right so far (with the exception of the 2 I didn't know)?
    please let me tell you that nordiol just doesn't give results. gave it a chance so many times. it probably gives deca a bad name. in other words not nearly as effective as deca.
    Last edited by sore24/7; 08-25-2004 at 11:30 PM.

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    nordiol has a conversion rate of 15% so if injecting 100mg of nor=15mg of deca and oral is only 5% so 100mg=.0075mg of deca transdermal =9.75 of deca

    you just werent getting enough mg

    from my undersanding the only benefit that 5ad has over 4 ad is it is anabolic by itself without converting to test whereas 4 ad isnt

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    nordiol has a conversion rate of 15% so if injecting 100mg of nor=15mg of deca and oral is only 5% so 100mg=.0075mg of deca transdermal =9.75 of deca

    you just werent getting enough mg

    from my undersanding the only benefit that 5ad has over 4 ad is it is anabolic by itself without converting to test whereas 4 ad isnt

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    [QUOTE=Bryan2]nordiol has a conversion rate of 15% so if injecting 100mg of nor=15mg of deca and oral is only 5% so 100mg=.0075mg of deca transdermal =9.75 of deca

    you just werent getting enough mg

    from my undersanding the only benefit that 5ad has over 4 ad is it is anabolic by itself without converting to test whereas 4 ad isnt[/QUOT
    i was up to 700mg a day/ got it as powder. really liked the idea of no dht conversion however, it did not give me anything . of course i threw some 4ad in there that basically kept me alive at the gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    OK, but 4 is more bioavailable than 5, is that correct?
    I would assume so, 5 is more than outdated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    Tell me if I am understanding this right????


    1, 4Andro = EQ

    4-diol = Test

    NorDiol = Deca

    5 Diol = ?

    1 AD= 1-Test

    3 Alpha = ?

    Am I right so far (with the exception of the 2 I didn't know)?

    Understand this: Andro= money wasted

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    How is that anabolic boy? 1-ad and 4-ad is andro...

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    [/QUOTE]
    i was up to 700mg a day/ got it as powder. really liked the idea of no dht conversion however, it did not give me anything . of course i threw some 4ad in there that basically kept me alive at the gym.[/QUOTE]

    if you were using oral delivery then there it is you werent even getting a mg of actual deca the 4ad was the only thing you noticed imo the only was to get an effective amount is pinning trans will work but not that well so pinning 2000mg a week of a cyp ester then youd get 300mg deca

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    If your going to inject it, you might as well go full on and use real deca ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    If your going to inject it, you might as well go full on and use real deca...
    Exactly.

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    very true but this is legal thats the only difference between the 2 because it turns into real deca in your body

    for those who fear the needle trans is the best but prople need to remember the conversion rates and absorbtion rates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan2
    very true but this is legal thats the only difference between the 2 because it turns into real deca in your body

    for those who fear the needle trans is the best but prople need to remember the conversion rates and absorbtion rates
    It doesn't convert to real deca. It converts to nandrolone , not nandrolone decanoate...

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    nsa, are you sayin you actaully think that stuff works?

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    1-ad and 4-ad work. I haven't tried the others though, so im not saying the other work well. But 1-ad and 4-ad work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    It doesn't convert to real deca. It converts to nandrolone, not nandrolone decanoate...



    thats still real deca the ester attached only delays release of the nandrolone but the nandrolone is the actual substance that buil muscle

    so basically nandrolone base but they do offer nordiol cyp from some companies a little longer ester then the deconate

    i think everyones best best is nadrolone oh its already an active substance no conversion needed and the oh modification makes it unable in producing estro/progesterone sides

    its about 75% effective mg/mg basis to regular deca durabolin

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    Ok im not meaning to be technical on this, but its not deca durabolin . Deca durabolin is a name for nandrolone decanoate by organon, i think. Nandrolone is not deca, its the base for deca. That is like saying that Eq is the same as boldenon base.

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    yeah your true but when i tell most people this they relate to deca or to eq moreso then boldenone or nandrolone

    people get confused when i tell them 1 test is dihydro boldenone

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    I understand. I was just pointing out a technicality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozgod
    Tell me if I am understanding this right????


    1, 4Andro = EQ

    4-diol = Test

    NorDiol = Deca

    5 Diol = ?

    1 AD= 1-Test

    3 Alpha = ?

    Am I right so far (with the exception of the 2 I didn't know)?


    5 Diol = Methandriol

    3 Alpha = dht



    5-diol is basically a non 17aa version of Methandriol.

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    where did you find that info i always thought they where both precursors to dht because m5aa doesnt relate to masteron at all never taken regular 5aa though

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