Lozgod's M1T

**Lozgod** · 08-26-2004, 03:48 PM

I just ordered some M1T powder and am going to make 10mg caps and do a 4 week cycle, I am debating on using 4Derm or Test with it. I am curious to see the effects of M1T. I have used 1-Test in the past with 4-Diol caps. I want to avoid the test because I want to see how the M1T works on its own, however I dont have too much confidence in the 4derm based on research. I dont want to get shut down.

**THA GONZ** · 08-26-2004, 04:10 PM

I have heard that the 4derm works pretty good, when taking 400-600mg's daily

**nsa** · 08-26-2004, 04:34 PM

What kind of test are we talking here loz...

Are you talking test prop, test enanthate or sublingual base?

**Lozgod** · 08-26-2004, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by nsa

What kind of test are we talking here loz...

Are you talking test prop, test enanthate or sublingual base?

Good question, if I go with Enan. it wont have kicked in until I was done the cycle. Maybe I'll go with the 4 derm. The sublingual is a pain in the ass, I believe it works but the multi-dosing gets old.

**nsa** · 08-26-2004, 05:32 PM

Yeah, i was thinking you were going to use either prop or sublingual. 4-derm works pretty good if you take around 500-600 mg transdermally ED.

What exactly are you expectations from this cycle?

**Lozgod** · 08-26-2004, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by nsa

Yeah, i was thinking you were going to use either prop or sublingual. 4-derm works pretty good if you take around 500-600 mg transdermally ED.

What exactly are you expectations from this cycle?

Well the 1-Test put on 16 solid pounds if I remember correctly, but I lost most of them because I did no PCT. I didnt think it was necassary, I wasnt as educated then as I am now.

**nsa** · 08-26-2004, 07:29 PM

Im betting you could put on 15 pounds easy, but final total will be somewhere in the 15-20 pound range.

**Bryan2** · 08-27-2004, 02:06 PM

deffanatly take some kind of test the lethargy sucks pretty bad with just m1t and the gains slow down after week 2 because your shutdown.

even with pct i only used nolva and kicked up the cardio i gained 16 pounds from m1t but it turned out to only be around 6 pounds lean body mass and around 5 pounds water 5 pounds fat

**nsa** · 08-27-2004, 02:19 PM

You only used nolvadex for pct? No clomid?

**Bryan2** · 08-27-2004, 05:19 PM

no clomid the nolva only took longer i ran nolva all the way threw due to pre existing gyno and bumped up to 40 for 2 weeks then down to 20 for a week the balls came back in week 3 and i thought i was cool plus the acne started to kick up and i stopped about 4 days later i noticed itchy nipples and jumped on the nolva for another week and i was cool