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08-25-2004, 09:10 PM #1
Pro-Hormone = Steroids
Tell me if I am understanding this right????
1, 4Andro = EQ
4-diol = Test
NorDiol = Deca
5 Diol = ?
1 AD= 1-Test
3 Alpha = ?
Am I right so far (with the exception of the 2 I didn't know)?
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08-25-2004, 10:02 PM #2King of Supplements
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
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08-25-2004, 10:05 PM #3Originally Posted by nsa
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08-25-2004, 10:16 PM #4King of Supplements
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5-andro is an anabolic testosterone precursor much like androstenedione. An enzyme in the liver (17-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) converts it to testosterone, so it's basically one step away. Its technical name is 5-androstene-3-beta,17-beta-diol.
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3-alpha androstenediol and 3-beta androstenediol are precursors to the highly androgenic compound dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
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08-25-2004, 10:19 PM #6Originally Posted by nsa
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08-25-2004, 10:28 PM #7Originally Posted by Lozgod
Last edited by sore24/7; 08-25-2004 at 10:30 PM.
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08-25-2004, 10:40 PM #8
nordiol has a conversion rate of 15% so if injecting 100mg of nor=15mg of deca and oral is only 5% so 100mg=.0075mg of deca transdermal =9.75 of deca
you just werent getting enough mg
from my undersanding the only benefit that 5ad has over 4 ad is it is anabolic by itself without converting to test whereas 4 ad isnt
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08-25-2004, 10:41 PM #9
nordiol has a conversion rate of 15% so if injecting 100mg of nor=15mg of deca and oral is only 5% so 100mg=.0075mg of deca transdermal =9.75 of deca
you just werent getting enough mg
from my undersanding the only benefit that 5ad has over 4 ad is it is anabolic by itself without converting to test whereas 4 ad isnt
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08-25-2004, 10:55 PM #10
[QUOTE=Bryan2]nordiol has a conversion rate of 15% so if injecting 100mg of nor=15mg of deca and oral is only 5% so 100mg=.0075mg of deca transdermal =9.75 of deca
you just werent getting enough mg
from my undersanding the only benefit that 5ad has over 4 ad is it is anabolic by itself without converting to test whereas 4 ad isnt[/QUOT
i was up to 700mg a day/ got it as powder. really liked the idea of no dht conversion however, it did not give me anything . of course i threw some 4ad in there that basically kept me alive at the gym.
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08-26-2004, 08:33 AM #11King of Supplements
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
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08-26-2004, 09:29 AM #12Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
Understand this: Andro= money wasted
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08-26-2004, 09:44 AM #13King of Supplements
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How is that anabolic boy? 1-ad and 4-ad is andro...
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08-26-2004, 03:02 PM #14
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i was up to 700mg a day/ got it as powder. really liked the idea of no dht conversion however, it did not give me anything . of course i threw some 4ad in there that basically kept me alive at the gym.[/QUOTE]
if you were using oral delivery then there it is you werent even getting a mg of actual deca the 4ad was the only thing you noticed imo the only was to get an effective amount is pinning trans will work but not that well so pinning 2000mg a week of a cyp ester then youd get 300mg deca
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08-26-2004, 03:18 PM #15King of Supplements
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If your going to inject it, you might as well go full on and use real deca ...
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08-26-2004, 03:43 PM #16Originally Posted by nsa
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08-26-2004, 03:43 PM #17
very true but this is legal thats the only difference between the 2 because it turns into real deca in your body
for those who fear the needle trans is the best but prople need to remember the conversion rates and absorbtion rates
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Originally Posted by Bryan2
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08-26-2004, 04:57 PM #19Anabolic Member
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nsa, are you sayin you actaully think that stuff works?
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1-ad and 4-ad work. I haven't tried the others though, so im not saying the other work well. But 1-ad and 4-ad work.
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08-27-2004, 02:11 PM #21Originally Posted by nsa
thats still real deca the ester attached only delays release of the nandrolone but the nandrolone is the actual substance that buil muscle
so basically nandrolone base but they do offer nordiol cyp from some companies a little longer ester then the deconate
i think everyones best best is nadrolone oh its already an active substance no conversion needed and the oh modification makes it unable in producing estro/progesterone sides
its about 75% effective mg/mg basis to regular deca durabolin
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08-27-2004, 02:18 PM #22King of Supplements
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Ok im not meaning to be technical on this, but its not deca durabolin . Deca durabolin is a name for nandrolone decanoate by organon, i think. Nandrolone is not deca, its the base for deca. That is like saying that Eq is the same as boldenon base.
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08-27-2004, 05:22 PM #23
yeah your true but when i tell most people this they relate to deca or to eq moreso then boldenone or nandrolone
people get confused when i tell them 1 test is dihydro boldenone
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I understand. I was just pointing out a technicality.
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
5 Diol = Methandriol
3 Alpha = dht
5-diol is basically a non 17aa version of Methandriol.
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08-28-2004, 06:57 PM #26
where did you find that info i always thought they where both precursors to dht because m5aa doesnt relate to masteron at all never taken regular 5aa though
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