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I have a couple of questions about a m1t/4ad cycle i want to take.
1. I have heard this closes growth plates?
2. Where is a cheap place to get 4ad? and how many mg/ml?
3. can creatine be taken at the same time as this cycle or not?
4. I know how much clomid and nolva to take but how many ml/mg?
1. Thats cuz its true. It CAN close them, doesnt mean they will tho.
2. I got mine from 1fast400.com. $19.99 perbottle. I also got some from a member on here 4bottles/ $30. Mine is 4derm, it doesnt matter what the mg/mL is as long as you get the right amount of mg. mg/mL means there is x mg of solute (4ad) in y mL of solvent (alcohol or whatever) Just spray enough untill you have the right amount of mg. If your 4ad is 50mg/mL and you want 200mg, then you will have to use 4mL.
3. Save creatine till PCT. It will help w/ wieght loss.
4. This is an easily researchable one...BUT its nolva 40mg first two weeks and 20mg second two weeks ED. Clomid is 300mg first day, 100mg days 2-11, and 50mg days 12-21. (10 days on each except for first day, 3 weeks in other words)
Thanks man ive been stressin about the growth plate thing im 18 but i have worked out for a couple of years(high school weightlifting). but im already 6 so. do you want to sell the 4ad?
18 is pretty young for this stuff, its sereous $hit. 6ft is fine, Im 6'1" so I dont realy care, Im tall enough. Im doing two cycles, one this summer or next semester so Im gonna keep it. It is sweet, put it on after a shower so your skin is soft and prores are open and it tingles like icy hot..you can feel it seep in. Buy up that M1T now and hide it while its cheap and not illegal.
Oh yeah, make sure you eat like a horse. 4-5000cals a day. Good cals too, not junk food. Lots of protien.
hey how long can you keep the m1t and the 4ad before it goes bad?
About 2 years, if in the right conditions...
1. Actually nolva and clomid would be more than to cause the growth plates to close because they are syntetic weak estrogens that act as estrogen in some parts of the body (Liver and bone). But they are essential in restoring your hpta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natural1
2. Check out 4-derm from 1fast400.
3. I'd save it for pct to help maintain your gains, but it can be taken with cycle.
4. Go check out nsa's m1t thread.
Good luck bro!
thanks alot everybody i really want to try it but I didnt know if it would go bad if i kept it too long. Ive got one more question though if i bought the clomid and nolva from AR-R can i do pct with just one bottle of each, will i have enough. Same question for 4 derm at 500mg
One more question to add. What if i added s1 to my cycle of m1t/4ad?
no need for s1 and M1T. both are adding test. pick one or the other. s1 is going to be easier on the liver. why dont' you try the M1T now and buy the s1 to try in a couple months.
Thanks GQ, i think ill try out the m1t, I hope it works as everyone says it does.
[QUOTE=bulldawg_28]1. Actually nolva and clomid would be more than to cause the growth plates to close because they are syntetic weak estrogens that act as estrogen in some parts of the body (Liver and bone). But they are essential in restoring your hpta.
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I plan on doing all of my pct but if Clomid and nolva are likely to close growth plates then what would be the worst that could happen if someone didnt do pct with nolva and clomid?
all of your gains that you made with M1T, and possibly additional muscle mass, as your natural test levels will be dramatically lower and it will take a while for them to come back up to normal. the low test will lead to catabolism. nolva and clomid help bring your test levels back up (to prevent muscle loss), as well as prevent side affects from estrogen rebound (from the increasing test levels you'll experience)
if you're so worried, then just wait a few years. there's no rush and you can probrably make the same gains with a good diet....which if you don't have one already, you're gains won't be what they should be anyway.
my advice, skip the PH. get a perfect diet and lift hard for 2 months (the time you'd take doing the m1t and PCT). don't cheat and don't skip workout days. i bet you pick up 5 pounds of LBM without the PH and you don't have to worry about your growth plates.
Its not that im worried about closing the growth plates that bad i mean im 6' already so thats not a factor i am just trying to get all the info i can. I would wait it out until later on but i only have another month or so until it goes illegal.
well I guess the question is do you like your heigth now? and are you comfortable staying this height for the rest of your life?
i have the M1t off of 1fast400.com, i have tried 2 cycles of 1-ad in the past and really liked it, so now i wanted to take a step up. with the M1T what else should i cycle with it? i know ill need a liver protection suppliment, what else do i need, just something for PCT like 6oxo right?
Nick
if you just keep liftin after your cycle of m1t will you keep your gains
Not exactly that simple...Quote:
Originally Posted by FamLay
not that simple. I understand that but is it always a definite that you will lose gains or does this vary from person to person.
It definately varies from person to person, some people don't even do pct and lose all their gains, others do correct pct and increase macro intake during pct and minimize the loss of gains to essentially just water weight. This is why pct is so important. Anyone can gain while on cycle, but not everyone can maintain muscle mass when they are not on cycle...
i know a dumb question but you say increase macro? What do you mean.
And in your opinion iwith the ban comming soon i am in a bind i want to wait and keep building naturally like i have been, but want to try m1t.
also i know i have read alot of treads about which is better test e or m1t but which is going to work better. In other words which is better for the money.
macronutrients.
Test e will be alot more muscle mass and strength than m1t. But i would buy some stuff before the ban and wait a while to do a cycle.
how much to buy is the problem though :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by nsa
I would say about 5-6 grams should suffice. It all depends on how much your going to take each week.
alright. thx
are you talking about the ester gel caps test?