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01-23-2005, 12:52 PM #1
Pct
what type of pct is reccomend for the following compounds?
m-dien
M4OHN
M-dht
thought about a m-dien 4AD stack and a M40HN/1AD stack
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01-23-2005, 03:01 PM #2Anabolic Member
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The answer to the PCT question for ANY cycle that alters hormone levels is - use ordinary PCT - Nolva and Clomid. Go to the PCT forum and read the stickies.
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01-23-2005, 03:06 PM #3
Nolva/clomid are standards. Milk thistle is another good one. Letro is good while on cycle if youre useing something that aromatizes like 4derm.
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01-23-2005, 08:58 PM #4Anabolic Member
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Good call, if you are at all prone to gyno, you should employ an anti-estrogen such as l-dex, letro, or aromasin throughout the cycle, as well as post-cycle if using an aromatizing hormone. Even if you are not prone, best to have it on hand at the very least, in addition to the clomid and nolva.
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01-23-2005, 09:30 PM #5
if i take nolva post cycle will i be alright. Im taking a fairly large amount of 4ad in my m1t/4ad cycle that im starting tomorrow.
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01-23-2005, 09:35 PM #6Anabolic Member
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How much are you taking of both compounds?
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01-23-2005, 10:02 PM #7
10mg M1T X2 ED
17aMethyl-4-androstene-317b-diol-16.6mg
4-androstene-417b-0l-3-one 16.6mg X4 ED
4-androstene-3,17b-diol 50 mg
4 androstene diethyl-carbonate-ester 100mg X2 ED
milk thissle
4 week cycle
PCT
novla-40mg ED 1-14
20mg ED 14-28
clomid 300mg 1
100mg 2-7
50mg 8-28
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01-23-2005, 10:10 PM #8
o yeah the 4X a day 4ad compound is derm not oral
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01-23-2005, 10:38 PM #9Anabolic Member
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I think the PCT looks fine for that cycle. One thing a lot of guys are doing now is scrapping the 300mg Clomid on day 1, and running 100mg days 1-10 before dropping to 50mg. Either way...
As far as the nolva, that looks fine. With more aggressive cycles, adding in one of the more powerful anti-e's like l-dex or letro is a good idea. Using during a cycle will also help keep bloat down which can be good if you stack androgenic compounds. I would have one of those 2 on hand, personally, and pay close attention to the nips, especially if you have any tendency toward gyno.
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01-24-2005, 07:24 AM #10New Member
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Hey I am almost through my first cycle of M1T and 4AD. I planned on running both for three weeks, M1T 20mg ED and 700mg 4AD oral ED. I spilled the 4AD yesterday so now I only have enough for 14days. I have Clomid and Novla on hand for Pct, should i just continue the M1T for another week then start my pct or should I start taking the novla and M1T together untill the end of week three then start the Clomid.
Start of Cycle 213 lbs.
Day 13 of cycle 226 lbs.
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01-24-2005, 09:20 PM #11Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by str8adonis
Good luck bro.
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01-25-2005, 12:04 AM #12New Member
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Thanks for the advice. I was just worried about if I stopped the 4AD that I would need to start nolva? Can I just stop the 4AD and continue the M1T for the 4 weeks. Do I have to worry about gyno because I am waiting 2 weeks to start pct. Thanks again.
Cheers
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01-25-2005, 12:40 AM #13King of Supplements
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Originally Posted by str8adonis
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01-25-2005, 01:11 PM #14New Member
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Thanks nsa, I will continue the M1T for another week to complete the cycle. Weeks 1-2 700mg oral 4AD, 1-3 20mg M1T.
M1T is amazing stuff I am on the CKD, I eat around 250 - 300g of protein ED and 125g of good fats ED. So far I have put on 15 lbs BF% has went down .5% and I have no bloat. I can't wait to see how much I keep.
Bench Max at start 265 lbs.
Bench Max after 15days 300 lbs
My body fat is around 14% starting 30min of LIT every morning, want to be at around 10% by the end of pct.
Is that a obtainable goal if I put a T3/clen combo into the mix during pct? any other suggestions.
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01-25-2005, 04:01 PM #15
I would not run t3 during pct. You are already somewhat catabolic, t3 will just add to that.
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01-25-2005, 04:54 PM #16King of Supplements
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Originally Posted by str8adonis
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01-25-2005, 06:18 PM #17New Member
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Is it ok to do LIT for 30 min in the mornings, keeping my HR at 65% of max? It was my understanding that with that low of HR you would only burn fat, no gycogen.
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01-25-2005, 07:00 PM #18Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by str8adonis
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