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i have enough of m1t and 4AD for about 2 more weeks, im on my second week..
would it be better to take 10mg a day for the upcoming 2 weeks (like NSA posted) or 20mg for just one more week?
which one will make me gain more? and will it be more "dangerous" than the 10mg / day for 2 weeks as far as my test levels are shutting down? i mean which one will shut me down more?
Thanks
whats ur weight? I did 10mg ed along with the 4ad for 30 days and did not get too much out of it. They told me on here to try using 20mg so that is what im gonna do next time. I weigh 210 and 10mg just wasnt enough
10mg is plenty to see results.
Dont get me wrong, i did see some results, got about 8lbs in the end, but i feel i needed 20mg a day.
if i higher the M1T dose.. should i increase the 4AD too? if so, to what?
Well it sometimes depends on weight. How much do you weigh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Explosive215
196 lbs
Alright 20mg would be good for you if you're not getting good results from ten. I don't see the need to up the 4ad dosage. Only if lethargy get out of control.
I'm on my second week of 10mg and was thinking of going to 20mg. I feel a little harder and stronger, but not more than placebo.
How much do you weigh SMYL? i weigh 210 like 14-15% bf 6'0 and I felt the same way. A lil strength and hardness but felt i needed moreQuote:
Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
I really think 10mgs is too small of a dose unless your 175 or below. But, I also do not do things in moderation....
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NSA Bryan2?
Running 10mg right now....its decent...I gained 10 pounds so far, one more week left. The next time I run it will definately be with 20mg. I think 10mg is just enough to feel the effects and get some wieght gain, but I'd really like to see what 20mg can do.
I think 15-20 mg's ED would be good for someone your weight.
I'm 6'2" 195 at 8-10%. A friend saw me today in a sleeveless and made some comment on my arms, but my diet and training have been on point for two weeks, so I would expect about some noticeable change. I bumped up to 20mgs today to see if I can see some size. We'll see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Explosive215
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Originally Posted by prolangtum
dont you go 2 weeks at like 50mg a day lol-shoot a little prop with that and itd be badass
dont wanna jack the thread but what do you think would be better
4 weeks- 40mg M1T+75mg test prop ED or
12 weeks 500mg test+350mg EQ every week jump started with say 40mg DBOL ED
just thoughts
Its really hard to compare those two cycles. Length being the key discrepancy. But, take your second cycle for example. Replace the dbol with M 1T, and I think you will have a better cycle than with dbol.Quote:
Originally Posted by swoll4589
ill be taking 20mg ed
im 199 going on 200
Which ester test is the second cycle. If it is prop then you could use m1t instead of dbol, if cyp or enth you should not use m1t to kickstart. And IMO you would definately gain more from the 12 week cycle. The cycle is longer, the cycle is more powerful and the cycle is less hepatoxic.Quote:
Originally Posted by swoll4589
NSA, Im curious to what the logic is for not using M 1T if using Eth or Cyp compared to prop. IMO it doesnt make a difference. Test is Test. But If you have a valid point, Im all ears.
Enthate and cypionate don't kick in until the end of the fourth week. So you won't have the test at work until that time, so you would essentially be running m1t with no active test for those weeks. Prop kicks in within a day or two, so you would have good results from that. JMO but i think that most other vets around here would back me up. Actually m1t and prop is much more effective than m1t w/ 4-ad, and would be an awesome 4-6 week cycle IMO.
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsa
Ive done them at 10 15 and 20. 20 wasnt any mor effective then 15mg or 10mg. It just made me more freaking lazy and not want to do anything. I didnt get any loss of appetite on any of them. 15mg worked out nicely. I however never kept my weight with any of them, and i had a great diet on and off.
Strength gains consistent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotron
what makes dbol different than M 1T, that what I was trying to get after.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsa
M1T IMO shuts you down harder and faster than dbol does. The lethargy and low sex drive from M1T would be unbearable for some if they didn't have any active test circulating.Quote:
Originally Posted by prolangtum
some of the cyp or enan does get released immediatley and 1 shot right from injection will start releasing for 2 weeks so it will release enough to not shut you down but I dont think youll have enough test in your body to minimize the sides. This is where a TNE or 4ad dermal would work if concerned with sides for the first 4 weeks anyway.
ok, i guess i see the logic there, althoughyou could remedy this by running prop the first two weeks. But I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsa
Prop and m1t is an amazing combination for big clean muscle gains.
so do you think you would gain more muscle on a 4 week prop m1t cycle or off a 12 week EQ-TEST E, frontloaded with d bol
Longer length, more gains.