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05-16-2005, 12:19 PM #1Junior Member
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which CEE brand to get??
Over the past three months I have been using TRAC creatine... but now I want to try CEE, I dont have a capping machine so was wondering which product I should purchase in a pill form?
* Cre 2 + Nitrovex CEE Hydrochloride By: Thermolife
* Cr2 + CEE Hydrochloride By: ALRI
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05-16-2005, 03:19 PM #2Junior Member
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Bump>>>>
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05-18-2005, 01:08 PM #3
Cee
i like the Ester Sized by Engineered Sports Tech.
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05-18-2005, 01:44 PM #4
Trueprotein CEE works for me.
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05-22-2005, 05:49 PM #5New Member
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I recommend TrueProtein.com's CEE as well.
Its $6.99 per 100g, which in the long run, a few hundred g's plus a capping machine will be cheaper and last longer than any pre capped product. And comming from TP you will know without a doubt its top notch. Thats the way i do it, cap a few hundred pills and your good to go for a while. It only takes about half an hour and you save a lot of money
If you die hard set on pre capped stuff, go with Thermolife.
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05-22-2005, 07:28 PM #6VET
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Originally Posted by Suareezay2
if you count the cost of caps, the capping machine and time (unless your unmployed or enjoy repetive tasks) its actually a very bad deal. Many powders are.Last edited by macrophage69alpha; 05-22-2005 at 07:31 PM.
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05-23-2005, 01:18 PM #7New Member
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Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
As for the CEE degrading issue...i dont know, you could be right, ive never heard anything about it degrading before. Ill have to do some research. I would imagine though that once you open the foil lid, the caps not being airtight, wouldnt stay any longer than bulk powder (assuming it degrades in the first place).
It seems like anybody who works out and eats 7 times a day obviously has a few extra minutes throughout the day to cap a few pills. If you wanted to, you could cap while eat...multitask
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05-24-2005, 12:23 AM #8Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
i also have to disagree with this part, you have to disperse the total cost of the machine equally over every batch of powder you will ever cap with it-making it almost nothing. and though it is repetative and boring at least you know exactly what you are putting in your body.
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05-24-2005, 02:10 AM #9VET
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Originally Posted by bigordie
in their defense a couple of these companies have now tested their CEE. at least one batch.
materials like CEE that are hygroscopic need to be vacuum sealed, and processed in a dehumidified environment. if they are repackaged as bulk powder that powder needs to be vaccuum sealed or at the VERY LEAST sealed in air tight container with a dessicant.
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05-24-2005, 08:58 AM #10
i am aware that companies cut corners in processing/shipping in order to pinch pennies-but the same is to be held with precapped goods. I understand that the shipping aspect of these is usualy better due to the fact that MOST of the time they are at least foil sealed- but that does not change the processing of these goods or the quality of the powders that they are using.
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05-24-2005, 11:03 AM #11New Member
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Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
And the BB.com and AvantLabs "CEE debacle" that your talking about is nothing more than Llewellyn looking like an ass.
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05-24-2005, 11:28 AM #12VET
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Originally Posted by Suareezay2
they along with all the other powder sellers DID NOT test their CEE. And most of the powder sellers have sold substandard material. you are very wrong about the CEE issue. Bill llewellyn may have handled things poorly but that does not change the fact that many suppliers were selling material that was 30% CEE or not CEE at all.
unless you actually know what you are talking about you should keep your uninformed opinions to yourself. and if you actually beleive that TP has been testing their raw materials and not just accepting the COA's from the manufacturer then you are deluded. Now with respect to their proteins, as they are manufactured in the US, with perhaps some of the caseins and other specialties from europe, then the manufacturer COA's are generally trustworthy.
just so that you are informed- having actually tested materials from the suppliers- 5 of 6 of the major chemical houses offering CEE that were tested FAILED. with only 2 of those even selling actual CEE, though with varying percentages by batch 25-90%.
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05-24-2005, 11:39 AM #13Associate Member
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So, what's the best brand of capped CEE out there relative to both quality and cost, and where can I find it?
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05-24-2005, 11:42 AM #14Junior Member
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Yeah.....is CEX made by VPX a good brand to get....?
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05-24-2005, 12:21 PM #15VET
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unless its vaccum sealed, then really cant reccomend any powders.
as far as caps.
Scotts Finest PureCEE- tested the caps and original raw material
Thermolife- about 90% sure they use the same raw material supplier-
VPX- also same supplier- though they dont have caps- so cant reccomend.
as a note with respect to TP- they have a high quality protein line as does PF. And have heard very good things about both of their services (have actually ordered from both of them for small quantity items)- but as all CEE is made in china, and there have already been manufacturers found to have fake or poor quality CEE- a fact that was made widely known almost 9 months ago- the fact that none of these companies (not just TP but all the bulk sellers) even initiated testing of their CEE until several weeks ago is untenable. the funny thing being they had to be told where to test it
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05-24-2005, 12:41 PM #16VET
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further note- this was not intended to single out TP, just the bulk resellers in general. As well as companies that dont test. it really is essential with new items in particular to test, ideally every batch of material should be tested. But when its a relatively new production item the need is tenfold. The creatine market is dead, its low profit, these new creatines have sold at 3-10 times the price or more in cases like citrulline maleate and others. These are high profit items that less scrupulous manufacturers or manufacturers that are out of their depth will sell to brokers and companies in the US at a low price, but then supply fake or substandard material. there are a lot of good companies in ASIA and EUROPE but the ones that are not make testing an absolute essential.
since bulk sellers count on low cost material to be competitive they, and thier US suppliers are the most likely to fall for these "too good to be true" deals. Not to mention when you buy 100kg of 20-30$ material and it costs 200-400$ to test that material it raises the price of that material to 2-4$kg. Now larger manufacturers will buy 1000 or more kg (at a lower price) and then only pay 20-40cents per kg.
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05-24-2005, 07:46 PM #17New Member
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macro...I know you werent singling out TP, no issue there. But I think that by singling out bulk CEE suppliers as a whole is misleading. Here is a post on bb.com from Doug from TPC and one from Dante, take from it what you will:
Originally Posted by tpc
Originally Posted by DOGGCRAPP
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05-24-2005, 08:01 PM #18
Ive been using Cr2 by ALRI, for like 2 weekend, and I get great pumps, but wanna give it more time. Youll like it
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05-24-2005, 09:53 PM #19VET
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Originally Posted by Suareezay2
And as to whom they purchased it from, if they bought it the same place as mike- the person indicated on that thread- it was purchased from one of the US based resellers. Having contacted 4 of the larger resellers, none of them have valid COA's. Even now that its been made clear to them by their purchasers
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05-25-2005, 07:43 AM #20New Member
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Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
I stopped using creatine mono about a few months ago because i was curious about losing the bloat, and I could feel it in the gym that I wasnt taking creatine anymore. A few weeks ago when i started on CEE I could feel the difference...i definatly had that creatine stregnth back, without the bloat. It works. Thats all im concerned with.
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05-25-2005, 08:24 AM #21King of Supplements
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Not speaking for Macro, but he didn't say that the CEE was bunk he just said that the COA's were not by an independent third party.
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05-25-2005, 10:29 AM #22New Member
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I have a CEE question that is slightly off-topic. Is it necessary to take CEE on non training days?
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05-25-2005, 11:42 AM #23VET
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Originally Posted by Suareezay2
to be very clear do not bleive that any of them intended to sell substandard material and in most cases they beleived it was good. Though some still sold the material after they knew there were problems (with their specific material).
side note- A more recent test of some of the manufacturers yielded one more company in the 80-90's(prior only 2 companies in 80-90's and 1 at 98%), with others still below 50% (cee content in the material). 2 still selling material that was not CEE at all.
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05-25-2005, 11:42 AM #24VET
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Originally Posted by itza2mer
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05-25-2005, 12:59 PM #25King of Supplements
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Macro, what kind of education do you have? I've always been impressed by your level of knowledge.
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05-25-2005, 08:40 PM #26New Member
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Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
so whos CEE do you use or recommend.
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06-13-2005, 08:56 PM #27
whos tested out at 98%...
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06-14-2005, 03:08 PM #28VET
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Originally Posted by solid-d
there may be other companies that are using this material, but without actually testing their products (cant say which ones, if any)
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06-14-2005, 03:14 PM #29
scotts finest?
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06-15-2005, 08:28 AM #30
bump wtf is scotts finest?
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06-15-2005, 09:33 AM #31Associate Member
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Go to anafit.com
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06-15-2005, 09:52 AM #32
thanks, but I do not see any CEE
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06-15-2005, 09:59 AM #33
nevermind....found it a different way
https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop...efde1e6&id=130
capsules suck tho
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06-15-2005, 10:00 AM #34Associate Member
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try this, https://www.anafit.com/shop/
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06-15-2005, 08:20 PM #35King of Supplements
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Originally Posted by West Coast All Star
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06-15-2005, 08:24 PM #36
Capping CEE
It is true that CEE is hygroscopic and if your thinking of capping it which will save you MONEY just use a dessicant in the bottle or ziplock. I have been capping my CEE for a good while and Im very happy with it. Higher Powers CEE is the best bang for you buck (only .04 cents a gram). Dont worry about it degrading because all other forms do just the same.
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06-16-2005, 05:21 PM #37VET
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the problem with HP and other bulk powder is that they are not vaccuum or even foil sealed. so as it sits in the warehouse before its shipped to you its exposed to moisture. your reccs are good but its the improper handling prior to the customers receipt that is an issue- ie it may sit for months in the above mentioned poorly sealed bottles without any dessicant, before it reaches you. bb.com has two ship points ohio and florida (both of which are quite humid).
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06-16-2005, 06:52 PM #38Associate Member
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so i just bought a scale and a huge bottle of cee from bulk for no reason? god dammit
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06-17-2005, 12:11 PM #39
BlueLightning3...Just a handfull of posts and you seem to be pushing Higher Power product and the capping method... Just wondering what your job title for that company is?? Also got just wondering if you can provide some lab tests...
Also Macro, you can provide lab tests for Scotts Finest..?? You said it tested out at 98%, then there has to be lab tests around somewhere...Thanks..
PS- IMO, i think what Macro said about the warehhouse thing, about it sitting for a while in bulk seems to make scence, and Im wondering if it may have the same effect on bulk trib, and to a matter of fact, all bulk products....Now I got a question, would there be a difference of something that has decreased in potencey by a good % if you took a larger dose?? Wouldnt that work to get the full effect of the supplement?? Thanks..
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06-17-2005, 01:05 PM #40VET
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Originally Posted by solid-d
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