Thread: Tongkat Ali
12-02-2005, 03:33 PM #1
I purchased some Redkat from *************. Biotest claims that it takes a one month to feel the full effects from their product. I looking for the libido effects. I have been one for two weeks and it appears to be working already. My nuts are swole and my loads are bigger on my mamasita's face. I'm not sure if it's increasing my sex drive though. When did you guys experience the tongkat kicking in? It can be with a different brand. Thanks bros!
12-02-2005, 03:40 PM #2
well i've been taking a gram of 100:1 tongkat for about a week and dont feel shit. we'll see if i feel anything next week. Whats the ratio for the redkat?
and your username was striker b4 correct?
12-02-2005, 04:31 PM #3Originally Posted by 305GUY
I changed my username because I was feeling depressed seeing it. I had to drop martial arts so I could save money for my wedding and my future step-daughter. I chose the name that my mamasita calls my in the sack. It helps keep my spirits up.
12-02-2005, 05:12 PM #4
12-02-2005, 05:17 PM #5Originally Posted by chest6
12-02-2005, 05:19 PM #6
Ya I just started tonkat a week ago, no go.
12-02-2005, 05:33 PM #7Originally Posted by BigGuns101
12-02-2005, 05:44 PM #8Originally Posted by BigGuns101
12-02-2005, 05:45 PM #9Originally Posted by Papi93
Originally Posted by Papi93
12-02-2005, 05:52 PM #10Originally Posted by 305GUY
12-02-2005, 07:16 PM #11
Looks good to go to me, Im sure you will like the results of those two.
12-02-2005, 07:37 PM #12Originally Posted by chest6
12-02-2005, 08:19 PM #13Originally Posted by Papi93
12-02-2005, 08:20 PM #14Originally Posted by 305GUY
12-02-2005, 08:22 PM #15Originally Posted by BigGuns101
12-02-2005, 08:31 PM #16Originally Posted by Papi93
Dont qoute me on doubling test but it will deffenatley raise test levels for sure.
As far as libido (actually wanting to have sex more is person dependant)
tongat helps this department in actually wanting to have sex
I remember i oded thinking it was milk thistle once and took around 4-5 grams and DAM I had sex like 7 times that day
12-02-2005, 08:32 PM #17
Any more info guys
12-02-2005, 08:37 PM #18Originally Posted by Bryan2
12-02-2005, 08:37 PM #19Originally Posted by Lion
12-02-2005, 09:42 PM #20
Are you having this problem because of any cycles, did you just finish one papi (stryker) or what...
12-02-2005, 10:41 PM #21Originally Posted by chest6
12-03-2005, 10:13 AM #22Originally Posted by Papi93
12-03-2005, 01:05 PM #23Originally Posted by Papi93
Well it is person dependant because estrogen actually does play a role in libido as well. It all depends on the how the said persons body reacts to minimal estrogen when it comes to libido.
Ive seen some not be effected and some have been.
As far as how high your T levels can get they "can" get up to 400% of baseline but again its person dependant and the length of administration is another factor on if the levels will continue rising.
If you are more interested in ciontinueing to be anabolic and having more ease at building LBM then you would want to go with the ldex .......but you could be one of the ones effected negatively and libido could fall as well.
I recomend upping your dose of tongat until you start seeing libido raising effects.
GET A BLOOD TEST!!! this will be able to show you if you are infact recovered and if the lowered libido is acting through a case of lowered T levels
12-03-2005, 01:08 PM #24Originally Posted by Lion
If you are reffering to the AI method of raising test levels then here is a study you might want to see
Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects.
Mauras N, O'Brien KO, Klein KO, Hayes V.
Nemours Research Programs at the Nemours Children's Clinic, Jacksonville, Florida 32207, USA. email@example.com
We have shown that testosterone (T) deficiency per se is associated with marked catabolic effects on protein, calcium metabolism, and body composition in men independent of changes in GH or insulin -like growth factor I production. It is not clear,,however, whether estrogens have a major role in whole body anabolism in males. We investigated the metabolic effects of selective estrogen suppression in the male using a potent aromatase inhibitor, arimidex (Anastrozole). First, a dose-response study of 12 males (mean age, 16.1 +/- 0.3 yr) was conducted, and blood withdrawn at baseline and after 10 days of oral arimidex given as two different doses (either 0.5 or 1 mg) in random order with a 14-day washout in between. A sensitive estradiol (E2) assay showed an approximately 50% decrease in E2 concentrations with either of the two doses; hence, a 1-mg dose was selected for other studies. Subsequently, eight males (aged 15-22 yr; four adults and four late pubertal) had isotopic infusions of [(13)C]leucine and (42)Ca/(44)Ca, indirect calorimetry, dual energy x-ray absorptiometry, isokinetic dynamometry, and growth factors measurements performed before and after 10 weeks of daily doses of arimidex. Contrary to the effects of T withdrawal, there were no significant changes in body composition (body mass index, fat mass, and fat-free mass) after estrogen suppression or in rates of protein synthesis or degradation; carbohydrate, lipid, or protein oxidation; muscle strength; calcium kinetics; or bone growth factors concentrations. However, E2 concentrations decreased 48% (P = 0.006), with no significant change in mean and peak GH concentrations, but with an 18% decrease in plasma insulin-like growth factor I concentrations. There was a 58% increase in serum T (P = 0.0001), sex hormone-binding globulin did not change, whereas LH and FSH concentrations increased (P < 0.02, both). Serum bone markers, osteocalcin and bone alk****e phosphatase concentrations, and rates of bone calcium deposition and resorption did not change. In conclusion, these data suggest that in the male 1) estrogens do not contribute significantly to the changes in body composition and protein synthesis observed with changing androgen levels; 2) estrogen is a main regulator of the gonadal-pituitary feedback for the gonadotropin axis; and 3) this level of aromatase inhibition does not negatively impact either kinetically measured rates of bone calcium turnover or indirect markers of bone calcium turnover, at least in the short term. Further studies will provide valuable information on whether timed aromatase inhibition can be useful in increasing the height potential of pubertal boys with profound growth retardation without the confounding negative effects of gonadal androgen suppression.
PMID: 10902781 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
12-03-2005, 01:10 PM #25Junior Member
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I say throw in some 6-0x0..I'm on it right now and its doin good things for the libido i must say you can get the androstentrione(sp?) powder cheaper from bulk ntrtion..also i was takin axis HT by bsn....that stuff is real good for me atleast but expensive as all heck......yohimbe products are good for keepin a good quality hard on .i say definitly try the yohimbe it is pretty cheap too....hope that helps
12-03-2005, 07:15 PM #26Originally Posted by Bryan2
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