Phera-Plex better?

**bobofet** · 12-17-2005, 01:46 AM

Has anyone actually compared phera-plex to superdrol? A guy at my gym swears that Phera-plex is far more superior. Ifind this hard to believe, although i haven't compared myself, but i did 2 cycles of superdrol and had incredible results.

**sputnik** · 12-17-2005, 07:55 AM

I've tried SD and had mediocre results. Am using PP now, only 2 weeks into it and have already put on ore weight than I did in my whole 4 weeks of SD. I've give an update over at anabolicminds comparing the 2.

**bobofet** · 12-17-2005, 02:16 PM

Sounds like he may not have been bs'n me. I was gonna stick with sd, but I may have to try the PP for myself. Thanks.

**DevilsDeity** · 12-17-2005, 04:30 PM

SD @ 30mg ed i got around 6-8lbs
PP @ 30mg ed i gained 10-12lbs.

**sputnik** · 12-17-2005, 08:54 PM

SD i did, 10,20,20,30. Total weight gain = about 6.5lbs. No cardio.

PP, 20,20,30,30. Weight gain of about 8lbs after 2 weeks. Sprint 1xpw, soccer 1xpw. Have gained 0.5cm on biceps, 2cm on chest and 1.5cm on legs.

**Bryan2** · 12-17-2005, 08:59 PM

apples and oranges brotha

however PP is twice as anabolic as SD

**sputnik** · 12-17-2005, 09:26 PM

spot on amigo, def more anabolic . ok im off to eat some ice cream with choc whey on top

**Prada** · 12-18-2005, 02:36 PM

How are the two on your hairline?

**sputnik** · 12-18-2005, 04:24 PM

Hairline? Simply stunning

. Seriously, no problems at all. I have heard about this but thought it was more of an issue with Ergomax.

**bobofet** · 12-19-2005, 12:51 PM

Yeah, e-max not so good on hairline. I can attest to that.

**bobofet** · 12-19-2005, 12:56 PM

I was reading at one site, to run pp for three weeks then lower dose 2 weeks with sd lower dose then sd alone for 3weeks for higher dose.
ex. week 1-3 pp 30mg/pd
week3-5 pp 20mg/pd sd 20mg/pd
week 5-8 sd 30mg/pd
is this a good stack/cycle or do you think they are simply trying to sell more

**Bryan2** · 12-19-2005, 01:00 PM

bad bad idea both are liver toxic limit to 4 weeks of use

**Prada** · 12-19-2005, 02:20 PM

Hmmm.................Werent a few of you on another board also "praising" PP?

No offense, just makes me question your credibility.

**sputnik** · 12-19-2005, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Prada

Hmmm.................Werent a few of you on another board also "praising" PP?

No offense, just makes me question your credibility.

huh????

Yeah, I've been giving my thoughts on PP over at anabolicminds. Hope theres nothing wrong with that, since I spent my money on both the SD and PP and have found PP to be that much beter for me. I infact did a review of SD during and after finishing, asking ppl for input on why it was't working all that well. And I still have 1 cyce left of SD. Prada, just realise sme have responded very well to SD, others, better on PP. Wha's the credibility issue there?

Bobafet, as to combining the 2. Yes some have tried it with good reslts, and no it wasn't harsh apparently. But result seemed better when using PP alone.

**cfiler** · 12-19-2005, 03:03 PM

Superdrol is definately proven to work at my gym. PP hasn't been used enough, but seems to gave slightly higher gains on the two who used it.

**Bryan2** · 12-19-2005, 04:10 PM

more anabolic but higher androgenic as well

**Rhyalus** · 12-19-2005, 07:26 PM

I am going into my 3rd week of PP / Prost, and I have to say that I am having zero sides.

This is my first cycle of anything....

No shutdown, no itchy nipps, no mood changes...nothing.

I have gained about 8 pounds.

I started at 222. My dose was

PP 20
PP 30 / Prost 75
PP 30 / Prost 75
Not sure what I will do in week 4.

Regards,
R

**sputnik** · 12-19-2005, 07:53 PM

I'm just over 9lbs for 17 days.

**bobofet** · 12-20-2005, 12:25 AM

is the pp more androgenic than e-max?

**bobofet** · 12-20-2005, 12:33 AM

i only ask because my face took a beating with the e-max

**Bryan2** · 12-20-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by bobofet

is the pp more androgenic than e-max?

yes.

***Giantz11*** · 12-20-2005, 03:10 PM

THe whole androgenic thing I think might be a touch over rated. I am on week 3 of PP and I have nothing but good things to say for it. And not a one, androgenic sides as of yet and I consider myself prone to these sides. However I noticed much more weight gain, strength increases with SD. But PP has me feeling great, no lethargy issues, libido is insane and gains are nice and solid. Def my favorite so far and I should mention the "boys" are still a nice size.

**Bryan2** · 12-20-2005, 06:14 PM

Acne not even a problem???

***Giantz11*** · 12-21-2005, 09:05 AM

Not at all.

Skin has gotten more oily thats about it.

**Papi93** · 12-22-2005, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

Not at all.

Skin has gotten more oily thats about it.

What are you going to use for PCT?
I was thinking 100mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva, 0.25mg Arimidex for 1 month.

**Papi93** · 12-23-2005, 05:09 PM

My future PP cycle:
Week 1 - 20mg ED
Week 2 - 30mg ED
Week 3 - 30mg ED
Week 4 - 40mg ED

How long do you think I would, generally, need to run my PCT. I know that you are supposed to go until fully recovered. How fast has everyone's recovery been?

**sputnik** · 12-23-2005, 05:23 PM

Papi, from all the feedback I've read, there's no need/benefit in going up to 40mg.

In fact, with only one week of my 20,20, 30, 30 cycle left to go, I'm pretty sure my conclusion will be that it wasn't worth even going up to 30.

**Papi93** · 12-23-2005, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by sputnik

Papi, from all the feedback I've read, there's no need/benefit in going up to 40mg.

In fact, with only one week of my 20,20, 30, 30 cycle left to go, I'm pretty sure my conclusion will be that it wasn't worth even going up to 30.

Thanks Sputnik. I got that cycle from the Anabolic Xtreme website.

**sputnik** · 12-23-2005, 05:42 PM

yeah, I would def advise not to follow that cycle...I haven't heard of anyone trying that. I'm not sure if u ever visit the anabolicminds forum...there's quite a few PP logs and reviews there....not even the bigger guys have got up to 40. So far I can say that having gone up to 30mg on my 3 week hasn't made a difference from being on 20. Next time around I would probably do something like 10,20,20,30...which will likely give the same results and leave me some PP left over!!!!!!!!

As to PCT, I'll just be using T-Drive (same as Rebound), PowerFULL, and CreEthyl Thunder. Worked a treat after my SD cycle.

**Papi93** · 12-23-2005, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by sputnik

yeah, I would def advise not to follow that cycle...I haven't heard of anyone trying that. I'm not sure if u ever visit the anabolicminds forum...there's quite a few PP logs and reviews there....not even the bigger guys have got up to 40. So far I can say that having gone up to 30mg on my 3 week hasn't made a difference from being on 20. Next time around I would probably do something like 10,20,20,30...which will likely give the same results and leave me some PP left over!!!!!!!!

As to PCT, I'll just be using T-Drive (same as Rebound), PowerFULL, and CreEthyl Thunder. Worked a treat after my SD cycle.

So you don't use AR-R 's research chems for PCT?

**sputnik** · 12-23-2005, 06:02 PM

nope

Rebound XT is pretty much the standard PCT supp used (as well as Nolva and Clomid of course), and I found PowerFULL worked great, given that I've yet to come across any test booster that's actually worked for me.

**Papi93** · 12-23-2005, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by sputnik

nope

Rebound XT is pretty much the standard PCT supp used (as well as Nolva and Clomid of course), and I found PowerFULL worked great, given that I've yet to come across any test booster that's actually worked for me.

Try arimidex at 0.5mg for 1 month. That's what is recommended by the gurus for test booster (without being suppressive, of course).

**Bryan2** · 12-23-2005, 06:09 PM

rebound/T-drive is adequate for the same thing as it is an AI

**Papi93** · 12-30-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

rebound/T-drive is adequate for the same thing as it is an AI

Which do you think is a better AI, rebound or PCT by Anabolic Xtreme?

**Rhyalus** · 12-30-2005, 08:30 PM

Hi guys,

I ended my cycle a bit early. Starting in the third week I started getting more bloat than I was comfortable with. I stopped the prostanazol but that did not help.

So the cycle looked like this
20 PP
30 PP / 75 Prost
30 PP / 75 Prost
30 PP / ~ 3 days of 75 Prost

I gained 10lbs. I am a former fat boy, so I got some abdominal fat but nothing terrible.

Conclusions:
No sides to speak of really, except for some lethargy. I really did not see much in the way of strength gains, and I was really in a "funk" for most of the cycle.

PCT started today:
week 1: 75 mg LXT / 100 mg DHEA / 40 mg Nolva / 25 mg RXT
week 2: 75 mg LXT / 50 mg DHEA / 30 mg Nolva / 50 mg RXT
week 3: 50 mg LXT / 50 mg DHEA / 20 mg Nolva / 75 mg RXT
week 4: 50 mg LXT / 10 mg Nolva(?) / 25 mg RXT

Interestingly, my first workout during PCT was better than most of my workouts on PP.

Regards,
R

**Bryan2** · 12-31-2005, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Papi93

Which do you think is a better AI, rebound or PCT by Anabolic Xtreme?

same thing

**Papi93** · 12-31-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

same thing

Cool, I just bought PCT for my brother. I wonder why they made PCT, if they already had Rebound?

**Bryan2** · 12-31-2005, 08:14 PM

slightly different ingredients same active

**Papi93** · 12-31-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

slightly different ingredients same active

My brother bought phera plex and perfect cycle (for liver protection) for his cycle. For PCT, he bought PCT and Retain (blocks cortisol and increases T3 production). I showed him your thread on liver and heart supps. Is there any all in one heart supp like perfect cycle is for the liver?