Quick PP/SD question

[sensaispike]

ok gents just a quick question about PP and SD. FIrst does any one think there would be benifit to taking bouth at the same time, or would it be better to just take one at a time? Also has anyone seen the PCT that the same CO makes (same as SD ans PP)? would it work or do you need nolva and clomid? i was just wondering because they say it is sufficent for pct, any thoughts?

i an thinking of taking a SD and PP stack and wanted to see what yall thought>>>

thanks L8ter

[Anabolios]

take one at a time...they are methylated so you dont wanna put too much damage on your liver...if you use one at a time you will most likely see which effects/side effects each causes

[sensaispike]

good point, i forgot they were methylated.

[Milky87]

You can take both but you will need to limit your total intake to ~40mgs split up however you want betwen them

[sensaispike]

ok what if i do this, run just the pp for 4 weeks than for pct use nolva and their rebound product?

[sensaispike]

i think also that i will use tribulus and milk thissle with the pp what do you guys think?

[PowerLiftt]

if you run nolva I dont think you have to run their rebound xt.. I used superdrol a while ago and got great gains (14 lbs) this is a good company.. Good luck. P.S. I ran a nolva PCT and it did the trick.

[sensaispike]

cool, here is what i was thinking, i allready bought the pp, trib, rebound, milk thissel, i think i will run the pp, trib, and milk thissle together for 4 weeks, than run the rebound after, and judt keep the nolva around incase i start to get gyno, which happened one time when i was on m1t. i was thinking 20mg a day of pp, i am not sure of the amount of trib to take because i have never used it before, and like 500mg of milk thissel, as far as the rebound i will just take whatever thay suddest. just let me know what you guys think.


thanks L8ter

[novastepp]

How much nolva will you be taking?

[sensaispike]

well if i take the nolva, i figure something like 1-2 ml, i think that is what i did with the m1t and that seamed to work well...

[novastepp]

well to me, obviously if it worked before than do it...
I see a lot of guys taking 20mg ED but ur doing liquid so convert that, but that does depend on what ur using it with so you may not need that much...
But again, do what works man...

[sensaispike]

yea mine is 2omg/ml, so that is about right, but i had allready ordered their rebound xt so i was think of trying that out to see how it works.

[novastepp]

ive heard good things so i think ur all good then...

[sensaispike]

yea, i figured it was worth a try, even if things start going bad i have the nolva on hand so i should be good to go!

[Milky87]

You could try useing hte 44 for 4 weeks, then use the rebound, then nolva (overlapping rebound and nolva for one week)

Just an idea

[210-6foot]

haha don't be a pussy and take both *wink jk. I have read much success stacking, but 98% of the guys on here will not agree. If you do, do not take longer then 6 weeks together.

[cfiler]

haha don't be a pussy and take both *wink jk. I have read much success stacking, but 98% of the guys on here will not agree. If you do, do not take longer then 6 weeks together.

Stacking would be very harsh on the liver and not worth the added gains, imo. Not worth risking your health over 5lbs... Personally I'd run them seperately, or if your set on stacking with something... you could go with a transdermal or injection.

[novastepp]

Def. Seperately as we discussed...

[sensaispike]

yea i am just running the pp, with the trib and milk thissle.

[210-6foot]

Well I am just saying what logs were posted on a other forum.

[sensaispike]

well i only have the pp anyways, so its just easy to go with that!

[sensaispike]

ok i just got my supps in ill start them tomorow, here is what i plan to take,
Phera plex- 20mg ed split in 2 doses 10mg when i get up, 10mg 6-8 hrs later
Tribulus 1250mg 625mg when i get up, 625mg 6-8 hrs later
milk thistle 300 mg mid day
ill do this for 4 weeks than take 1-2 days off than begin rebound xt 25-75mg ed
split in to 25mg doses 1-3 times a day, for 2-4 weeks ..... what do you guys think?


ill keep a running log and post measurements before and after....

any thoughts???


thanks, and L8ter

[Papi93]

Why are you waiting two days to start PCT?

[sensaispike]

well i am not sure i said 1-2 days just as a guess, would the next day be better?

[Papi93]

well i am not sure i said 1-2 days just as a guess, would the next day be better?

It has a very short half-life so I would take it the next day.

[sensaispike]

ok will do, thanks for the advise

[Lil man 10]

dont forget the nolva

[Jakspro]

i wouldn't use Trib during cycle, i would save it for after... And you'll need about 5gms a day, so split that with breakfast and last meal...

[sensaispike]

why not with the pp, and 5g a day, that is a little much isint it? they say to only take 625-1250mg ed.....

[Jakspro]

your gonna need something to boost your natural test once you get off the PP, not while your on it... And 5gms shouldnt be too much, yea it says take 1.2mgs a day on the bottle, but really you wont notice much if you take that amount, also depends on what kind as well and the percent Protodioscin. Typically though i've read you want around 3-5gms a day... I took roughly 5 gms in my PCT off of Max LMG and it worked well

[sensaispike]

that is what i got the rebound xt for...... does any one have any thoughts on this?

[Papi93]

that is what i got the rebound xt for...... does any one have any thoughts on this?

I would run 4g for PCT. Tongkat ali can be run during this cycle as an herbal HCG (obviously not as strong as HCG but can be a substitute in this instance).

Run an AI with trib (at 4g that is), if you are gyno prone.

[sensaispike]

so just save the trib for pct, and just take pp and milk thistle now?

[Papi93]

so just save the trib for pct, and just take pp and milk thistle now?

I would. Run tongkat ali, during your cycle, if you are worried about natural test suppression.

[sensaispike]

i dont have tongkat ali, i have optimum tribulus (40%)

[Papi93]

i dont have tongkat ali, i have optimum tribulus (40%)

You could use it during cycle, to help with suppression. It just will not be as effective as tongkat ali. If you are on a budget, I would save it for PCT. You will be taking an AI during this time so it help prevent the estrogen conversion that you might experience from trib (at high doses, that is).

[sensaispike]

papi-ok what do you think about this- i was thinking about starting the trib @ wk 3, that way i have it for 2 weeks of the pp and 2 weeks of pct, just a thought. any comments?

[Papi93]

papi-ok what do you think about this- i was thinking about starting the trib @ wk 3, that way i have it for 2 weeks of the pp and 2 weeks of pct, just a thought. any comments?

What dose would you use? The dose on the bottle or the 4g dose?

[sensaispike]

probably 4g, which is only like 2* the dose that recomend

[Jakspro]

Scrrr, Herbal HCG ??? Never heard of this, rather interesting... Any one used it?