one+/1,4 andro stack

**Pete** · 09-14-2002, 07:33 PM

Hey guys what's up. I just bought a supplement called one+ by Avant labs and I was wondering if anyone had any expierence stacking this with 1,4 andro. Also, when I am using the one+ would it be wise to use an anti-estrogen supp while on it. I would appreciate any input. Thanks bro's.

**FromFleshtoSteel** · 09-14-2002, 08:43 PM

bellicose knows all about that shit, pm him if he doesn't respond because he was talking that stuff up on another thread

**Buddha_Red** · 09-14-2002, 09:37 PM

if you can find an effective anti-E supp by all means take it.
the gyno risks with those products is just as real as with juice.

**Pete** · 09-15-2002, 08:50 AM

thanks bro.

**Dante** · 09-15-2002, 09:28 PM

Boldione has been used before with ONE+, although by far it is not a necessity. The combination of 1-Test/4AD as in ONE+ alone will be far more than sufficient to strike your fancy, although Boldione can further increase appetite and enhance marginal gains (but it would not be profound---so it depends on your budget; if it allows for such use, then certainly Boldione can help).

Anti-E's are not needed, as most do not use so upon their ONE+ cycle (this is 4AD, not 4Dione; however if one is prone to Gyno, then that would not be a bad idea in which regards Ergo's 6OXO can be used [for an OTC aid]).

**Buddha_Red** · 09-15-2002, 11:06 PM

i always suggest anti-e's because do you really want to take the risk and find out too late you are prone to gyno?

**Dante** · 09-15-2002, 11:25 PM

4AD (Diol, not Dione---"Andro") has never had report of Gyno induction from its use, save from those who previously had Gyno (or had the starting formation of it). That's what I meant by susceptibility.

Estrogenic formation will not be to the same degree as using straight Test (since 4AD has to convert first, and in itself [before conversion] it may possess intrinsic activity [this is assuming moderate amounts, too]). Some Estrogen is most helpful for strength and size (plus to maintain overall well-being and lust; 1-Test alone can decrease both).

**Dante** · 09-16-2002, 06:38 PM

Chrysin in normal (non cost-prohibitive) amounts will bring not a thing; this is due to its low oral availability.

As for "all" OTC products being garbage, perhaps one should think of Ephedrine/Caffeine and Yohimbine HCL. Oh, unless one considers that garbage as well.

That's what happens when all products ("OTC") are grouped together; categorical dismissal replaces critical thinking.