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    Epistane cycle, then PCT with, Primordial Performance Testosterone Recovery Stack

    Epistane cycle, then PCT with, Primordial Performance Testosterone Recovery Stack (TRS).



    So...After running Hdrol (CEL) at 50-75mg/ED with great results, I'm going to try Epistane. Acne is a worry for me, so I dont know how I will respond to the compound. I havent cycled in a while and will be experimenting with some of the legal steroids for the time being. Gyno is also a worry for me, as I have a small case of it.

    Then I'm going to run PCT with Primordial Performance Testosterone Recovery Stack (TRS) (alone). I've heard great reviews on this stack and have been wanting to try it for a while. I dont believe any of the herbs (Tongkat, Tribulas, LJ100) do ANYTHING for total testosterone. There nothing but scams. I have though, seen BW done on individuals on Sustain Alpha and after using the TRS. They have all been promising.

    I'm starting Epi within 2 weeks and will be running it for around 5-6 weeks (hopefully) then its time for PP's TRS.

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    Swifto i know you know what your doing but especially since gyno is a worry of yours i would not post cycle from epi without a serm. I have seen guys estro rebound time and time again off the stuff. It is very effective at lowering estrogen. Maybe save this post cycle for another compound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peachfuzz View Post
    Swifto i know you know what your doing but especially since gyno is a worry of yours i would not post cycle from epi without a serm. I have seen guys estro rebound time and time again off the stuff. It is very effective at lowering estrogen. Maybe save this post cycle for another compound?
    I do have Tamox on hand, yes. Wont be taking any chances. I'll probably also get my E1/E2 checked after.

    Sustain Alpha is also meant to have mild AI properties.

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    well keep me posted swifto. i have heard alot of good things about the stuff. wouldnt that be nice if there was actually something OTC that was effective for post cycle and didnt come with all the glorious sides of SERMs and AIs.

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    very interesting.. I am thinking about taking hdrol next.. and then epi.. whats funny is I am also worried about acne.. I HATE it!!!! I only got it once after pct bc of clomid.. you think this TRS stack could cause acne just like clomid did.. or do they work comp differently??
    thanks bro and gl to u!

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    usually acne in post cycle is caused by the fluctuating hormones and high estro levels, but people often blame the clomid. i think if you are acne prone you will get it either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peachfuzz View Post
    usually acne in post cycle is caused by the fluctuating hormones and high estro levels, but people often blame the clomid. i think if you are acne prone you will get it either way.
    I agree.

    I have, though, been ok with Hdrol at 50-75mg/ED. I've got the odd spot, but nothing like a true cycle. I hope I dont have this problem with Epi either.

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    what inspired you to do legal juice??

    Hope your doing well my friend...

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    you should be fine with the TRS is works great for ptc even w/o a serm but have one on hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by peachfuzz View Post
    Swifto i know you know what your doing but especially since gyno is a worry of yours i would not post cycle from epi without a serm. I have seen guys estro rebound time and time again off the stuff. It is very effective at lowering estrogen. Maybe save this post cycle for another compound?
    Yeah, Ive heard of Epi lowering SHBG and thus causing bound E2 to spike...

    -Eric

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    I loved h-drol. Have seen many people blow up and get huge strength gains off epi. Me I gained a measly 5lbs on a 6 week run with it and it barely did anything other than increase libido (tho it did this extremely well). Interested to see your results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I do have Tamox on hand, yes. Wont be taking any chances. I'll probably also get my E1/E2 checked after.

    Sustain Alpha is also meant to have mild AI properties.
    How is the cycle going Swift?

    -eric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    How is the cycle going Swift?

    -eric
    The last 3 days I've been ill and lost some weight (7lbs). I'm hoping to get this back this week and training again (nothing beyond failure). Starting Epi at the end of the week now. I was hoping to start it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goose View Post
    what inspired you to do legal juice??

    Hope your doing well my friend...
    Hdrol was good, loved it. But then, I like Tbol too.

    Cant wait to run Epi.

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    what was the best part about h-drol

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    what was the best part about h-drol
    I cant complain about a thing. I got more vascular, my strength went up and I gained 7lbs. I also didnt experience any acne, something I'm very cautious of now.

    Unfortunately, I've lost a bit from being ill. But its coming back fast and I'm hoping to start Epi within the next few days.

    Then I'm running Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp Max and Taco-8 solely for PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    Hdrol was good, loved it. But then, I like Tbol too.

    Cant wait to run Epi.
    Funny you say you loved both. Don't know if you're aware that Hdrol supposedly converts to Tbol.

    Hdrol:
    4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol
    Tbol:
    4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one
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    4-chlorodehydromethyltestosterone

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    Started 20mg/ED Epistane yesterday. This will increase to 30mg/ED, comparing gains/sides. I hope to be at 30mg/ED by the end of the week.

    If I notice any testicular atrophy or loss of sex drive, I'm running Sustain Alpha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    Started 20mg/ED Epistane yesterday. This will increase to 30mg/ED, comparing gains/sides. I hope to be at 30mg/ED by the end of the week.

    If I notice any testicular atrophy or loss of sex drive, I'm running Sustain Alpha.
    Good call on the Sustain. 3 days on 3 days off (if you feel you need it)

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    Hey bro, did you ever give 1-t tren a shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by james21 View Post
    Hey bro, did you ever give 1-t tren a shot?
    Not yet.

    I'm running Epi first, then may after.

    Although I have a small case of gyno and really dont wish to aggrivate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    Not yet.

    I'm running Epi first, then may after.

    Although I have a small case of gyno and really dont wish to aggrivate it.

    I have a small case of gyno myself, so i ran a little caber along with it ... and if anything it just went down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james21 View Post
    I have a small case of gyno myself, so i ran a little caber along with it ... and if anything it just went down.
    Cool. Thanks.

    I'll probably run it after Epistane, with caber on hand.

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    Cycle is going well. Upto 30mg/ED.

    Few spots on my back, but nothing major.

    Weight is up 2-3lbs and I'm getting more vascular.

    No loss of sex drive or atrophy.

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    Spots are getting worse. Bigger and more tender. If this continues, I'm stopping (which is a ****ing shame).

    Weight is the same but BF has reduced visibily.

    Its starting to kick in now. Pump in the gym was awsome and strength is increasing moreso.

    No loss of sex drive or atrophy.

    Gyno is ever so slightly less puffy.

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    How is the hair line treating you?

    do you plan on tapering off to reduce chance of estro rebound?

    hopefully the spots ease up. would suck to have to discontinue.

    you keep saying no atrophy. have you seen the writeups claiming epi keeps LH elevated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peachfuzz View Post
    How is the hair line treating you?

    do you plan on tapering off to reduce chance of estro rebound?

    hopefully the spots ease up. would suck to have to discontinue.

    you keep saying no atrophy. have you seen the writeups claiming epi keeps LH elevated?
    Hair is fine.

    I'm going to taper and use Tamox too.

    I havent seen a study stating it keeps LH elevated. But I'm guessing, becuase its a methylated steroidal AI, thats becuase it changes the A:E ratio by lowering circulating E?

    I'm saying to atrophy because, to be honest, you never know 100% whats in these designer steroids . They can be spiked with all sorts of shit, so I'm reporting testicular atrophy too.

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    Ok weight is going up now. Up 6lbs in total now. BF is coming down too.

    More vascular.

    Spots on my back are still there but dont seem to be worsening...However, its noticable and if it doesnt calm in the coming weeks, I'm out...

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    Lowered to 20mg/ED to try and get rid of this ****ing acne on my back...

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    Keeping an eye on this one.

    I'm with you on the freaking acne just had a major freaking break out this weekend ugh sucks.

    This may sound strange but its cheap and seems to be effective. Try baking soda with a bit of water added to make it into a paste. I don't have butt loads of $$$ to spend on expensive topical treatments and this seemed to do great things along side a acne soap and showering 2-3x a day. Look into the baking soda for acne as well. Just some .02cents.

    Good luck interested in the results!!

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    keep up the good work bro

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    20mg/ED and the spots are getting better.

    So far, its provided the same'ish gains as Hdrol, but with the acne.

    Weight is holding at just under 200lbs (5"11) at around 10-12%.

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    im sorry,what is epistane?and t-recovery stack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmy View Post
    im sorry,what is epistane?and t-recovery stack?
    Epistane is a methylated AI that has both anabolic and androgenic properties. Its made by I B E.

    The Testosterone Recovery Stack (TRS) is made by Primordial Performance and is an alternative or addition to the regular PCT's of SERM's and AI's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    Epistane is a methylated AI that has both anabolic and androgenic properties. Its made by I B E.

    The Testosterone Recovery Stack (TRS) is made by Primordial Performance and is an alternative or addition to the regular PCT's of SERM's and AI's.
    oh ok.thanks.i looked up epistane,looks fairly new.its more anti-estrongenic is what ive been reading...thanks for the info and good luck with the cycle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    20mg/ED and the spots are getting better.

    So far, its provided the same'ish gains as Hdrol, but with the acne.

    Weight is holding at just under 200lbs (5"11) at around 10-12%.
    Up a further 1-2lbs whilst reducing visible BF. Havent got my % taken, but I may do post cycle.

    Gyno is less puffy but acne on my back is still visible. I highly doubt I'll run Epistane again when I can get the same gains with Hdrol and none of the sides. But I'll finish my cycle as long as it doesnt get any worse...

    Strength is also up.

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    dude i was the same way but with havoc. hdrol was sick for me and epi gave me puff nipps and some sides. never again. Check out tren 19-nor. I current love the stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    Up a further 1-2lbs whilst reducing visible BF. Havent got my % taken, but I may do post cycle.

    Gyno is less puffy but acne on my back is still visible. I highly doubt I'll run Epistane again when I can get the same gains with Hdrol and none of the sides. But I'll finish my cycle as long as it doesnt get any worse...

    Strength is also up.
    Interesting to hear that about the epistane... and not with hdrol.

    -Eric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Interesting to hear that about the epistane... and not with hdrol.

    -Eric
    Hdrol seems to be less androgenic . I've read of acne being a side from using Epithio, but not with Hdrol.

    Wont be running it again and will be stopping short if my acne only slightly gets worse and running the TRS.

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    Right...

    I'm done with Epi. I've had enough of the acne on my back.

    Starting today, I'm on 1 cap for around 15-20 days to taper down, then its PCT time.

    Gains have slowed now and sides havent improved in the last 1-2 weeks.

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