i was over at elitefitness.com and a guy posted over there that his test levels had been 198 before cycle. done a 8 week cycle, and 4 weeks later got another test done. his test levels were 470 or so. he takes 3 grams a day divided into 3 doses, and had been on it for a couple weeks. hes also evidently somewhat older as he was on test replacement at one time. says between the avena and the trib he feels like a kid.

the idea is that avena unbinds bound test. you can get the same shit he was useing at beyond-a-century.com for $5/50grams+$4.95 shipping for any sized order.