5ad and 4ad

[manillagorilla]

What are the differences in 5-androdiol and 4-androdiol as far as sides results etc? Has anybody used either, at what doses?

[jd15]

The 4-diol gave my puffy nips but got massive strength gains but still isnt the worth the risk of puffy nips....never used 5-ad.

[Warrior]

5-AD gave me hard sensitive lumps under the nipples, potential gyno that went away after I stopped. 4-AD with 1-AD resulted in terrific strength gains.

[manillagorilla]

What doses of each did you take and how did you split up the doses throughout the day?

[Warrior]

My best prohormone cycle by far was Ergopharm 4-AD Cyclo-Diol and 1-AD at 300mg per day.

It was at my best strength ever - now on juice I have gotten back to it - after loseing it from a bout on Prednisone. I was increasing my bench press at an incredible rate - everyone thought I was on juice then...

[jd15]

I agree with Warrior My Bench went up 50lbs and i was just taking the 4-ad but when i came off of it the gains dropped alot but i kept a lil....

[painintheazz]

I had very good gains on 1 AD by itself. I added about 15 or so pounds of good muscle (my diet was really really good on this cycle though) and my strength went up 30lb on the bench. I kept mostly all of my gains. I was taking 600 - 900mg per day (yes that is a lot) I found 600 to be optimal, dosaging higher didn't yeild much better results.

Pain