Best OTC fat burner

**Mr.gH** · 04-18-2003, 01:45 AM

Call me crazy, but I use some stuff called sperosome. It's a liquid so you gotta take it with a lil wanna-be syringe so peeps look at you funny(if they only knew). But it works like magic. Plus I hate taking pills, so its a nice change.

**BlocRoc** · 04-18-2003, 02:13 AM

Three Little Letters for me!

DNP

Nothing else!

**Imfamous10** · 08-14-2003, 10:38 AM

Monday after this trip to the valley Im going with xenadrine EFX and sticking with a low carb diet. might spike it with 60mg Kaizen Ephedrine in the morning same workout but dropped the weight a tiny bit and added 4 30min sessions of cardio a week.

diet looks like this

9am
2 optimum 100% pure whey shakes

10am
30min cardio

11:30am
4 eggs
1 optimum shake

2pm
2 optimum shakes

4pm
something like a couple servings of chicken
or tunafish

afternoon workout-weight training

6pm
2 optimum shakes

8pm
whatever is at my girlfriends house unless its the average beans and tortillas (she's latino) in that case maybe some more tunafish and a few crackers

10pm
2 optimum shakes

note that Im doing this the poormans way substituting the optimum shakes and mrps, dont gimme no shit I know but Im broke

started this monday with ephedrine but wont start the xenadrine till next monday
talk to me if this sounds good, or not

**Terminator-850** · 08-17-2003, 12:56 PM

I liked Hydroxycut when I first started using it ,but now I dont get the same effects from it anymore, and basically I think its just a bunch of caffeine. Be prepared for some headaches after a marked absence of taking them.

**talon** · 09-02-2003, 12:27 AM

Ive used 1 stacker 2 a day, very good for me so far.....

**BREASTMAN** · 09-02-2003, 10:20 AM

Of what is left...LIQUID CLENBUTRX for sure. Lipokinetix used to lead the pack before it was so harshly pulled!

**bigswole30** · 09-04-2003, 09:16 AM

liquid clenbutrx and clen 357 are the best. Superior ingredients and delivery system.

**dutchboy** · 09-04-2003, 06:32 PM

stacker 2 seems impossible to beat to me. I feel more off that then clen .
but I had oxysux and maybe that had something to do with it.

**arnold1980** · 10-13-2003, 07:17 PM

i found this shit online called thermadrol. I've tried everything out there and this is the bomb. Plus i don't crash hard coming off it.

**Hyperlite** · 01-01-2004, 09:51 AM

Xenadrine RFA-1 was the best!!!

D&E Pharm. make MAXADRINE and it is the exact same thing....

dpsnutrition.com has it...

**LightWeightBaby** · 01-06-2004, 07:36 PM

so many of them are basic ECA stacks so they are all so similar.

**MrOlympia2014** · 01-25-2004, 07:45 PM

IMO, alot of eph. products work very nicely. Xenadrine, E/C/A, Stacker 2, Stacker 3, Vasopro HCL eph.

**fritz2435** · 02-10-2004, 05:32 PM

Does anyone know if ephedra free products work? Is it just that the dosage is much higher?

**OSTIE** · 02-12-2004, 11:24 AM

Senior year in highschool, lost 73 lbs using xenadrine RFA-1, cutting ALOT of calories and running. I did lose strength and muscle though too. But i guess when your that overweight, you set one goal at a time and lose all the fat first. Now that RFA-1 is gone, I sometimes cycle hydroxadrine, which is supposed to combine hydroxicut and RFA-1. Ive never cared for the ephedra free products. It doesnt seem to suppress the appetite as well and Ive always liked that jump start ephedra does for you

**Consistency** · 02-12-2004, 12:28 PM

ephedra free products dont WORK!!!!! also i think this thread is out dated since ephedra is no longer OTC.

**151** · 02-12-2004, 12:43 PM

I can still get ephedra products OTC around here. I'm stocking up while it lasts.

**co2boi** · 02-12-2004, 01:38 PM

any of your basic methamphetamines will have the desired affect..hehe

**George777** · 02-26-2004, 08:28 PM

Interesting thread about losing weight and cutting-up. Any seasoned folk who tried ephedrine or clenbuterol ? What's best in terms of optimal thermogenesis and which has the worst side-effects?

I tried ephedrine for a period... not for dieting but for aggressive workouts and incredible pumps. I had some side-effects like mild tremors and psycho-speeds. Now I want to cut-up and get leaner for summer.

This time I will get into a Clen cycle for 2-3 months. I found http://clebuterol.com and ordered some.

Any recommendations on a solid and *tested* cutting-up scheme? I'd appreciate some advice from seasoned folks. Also share side-effects and the impact on fat loss... thanks!

**co2boi** · 02-27-2004, 09:16 AM

I used ephedrine for a short time and it caused me to have some pretty scary heart spells. I literally thought I was going to die (or at least pass out) a few times because my heart was skipping beats and junk. Scary stuff...
Oh, I never really experienced any fat loss from taking it, although I laid off pretty quickly when the episodes started.

**Valmont** · 02-27-2004, 09:47 AM

T-rex.

**George777** · 02-27-2004, 12:43 PM

Yeah, I'll probably never take ephedrine again; doesn't worth the risk.
Clenbuterol seems to be much, much safer. Don't expect getting cut without dieting.
Also never had any experience on thyroid-based aides. I presume that it's very dangerous to consume t-aides?

**co2boi** · 03-01-2004, 01:44 PM

George, I checked out the Clen site. I noticed that anyone can order any product they have, with no proof of prescription, although you are "supposed to have one". This seems a little too good to be true (or just dangerous). Have you actually ordered, received, used, etc.. yet?

**George777** · 03-01-2004, 03:18 PM

Co2boi,

Yes - anyone can order. It's your responsibility when it comes to ordering steroids from Mexico, or anywhere else without a prescription (the 'unwritten law').
Actually, this is the only source I trust to ordering stuff regularly. I have friends who order lots of bulks and always received their stuff. Taking steroids is dangerous for sure, but you already know the drift.

I have repeatedly ordered testo, deca , clen and other substances - all went through OK.

**co2boi** · 03-04-2004, 07:20 AM

Right on. I can't help but wonder if ordering such things from Mexico is safer than ordering say, Fina, through a US site. Although no prescription is needed for Fina, having a box of it delivered to the suburbs (i.e. no cattle for miles) makes me feel a bit uneasy.
Anywho, thanks for the info bro.

**co2boi** · 03-04-2004, 07:21 AM

Oh yeah, ignore that "arcade challenge" ****. I was just curious. =o)

**George777** · 03-04-2004, 03:51 PM

No problem co2boi. I'd say better stay off 'roids. I know how it feels like "visualizing yourself to your ultimate supremacy", you get tempted to become a Superman... just for a while.

I have a friend who gains 1 pound of muscle every month, even without steroids - he's been training for 9 years (9 x 12 months... about 110 pounds of rock-hard muscles and he still gains.

He currently weighs 200+

So, is taking roids the only path to ultimateness? Definitely "no"; but if this (110 extra muscle-pounds) folk took steroids systematically, he'd probably gain over 3 pounds of muscle every month...

Dare to do the Math
His gains would Triple!

Simply put, you can theoritically gain up to 200 pure muscle-pounds with steroids and a revolutionary training scheme like Mike Mentzer's.

**co2boi** · 03-05-2004, 11:29 AM

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that you are against steroids ? "testo, deca , clen " are all roids. Maybe I am just missing the message in your reply.