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    Austinite's Fat Loss Protocol using Over the Counter Products.


    Understanding Fat:


    Did you know that your fat cells remain with you forever? That's right. They don't magically disappear, they don't turn into muscle and they don't burn away. When you lose fat-weight, you're actually shrinking the fat cells. That's it. Fat cells are there to stay, in your stomach, arms, thighs, etc... So now you understand the concept. We are working on shrinking fat cells here. There are no more fat cells to accumulate. Only expansion and shrinkage. There are 2 stages of accumulating fat cells, in the womb, and one last time during puberty. After that we're done accumulating. This is mainly why I made the decision to put an end to bulking cycles a while back.

    My Experience:

    I've been on this protocol for a little over a month from the date of this post. I am pleased with my experience. This is while eating at TDEE, not under. I'm doing basic maintenance calories. I've been supplementing with green tea for a while, but haven't taken mega-doses until this experiment. Chromium was never in my diet, so that's new to me. Finally, Synephrine is also new to me.

    It's merely impossible for me to lose fat while eating at maintenance. I've never had the pleasure of meeting this occurrence until now. In just a little over 30 days, I lost 5.6 lbs of fat. Doesn't sound like much, huh? Well, I can tell you that without this protocol, not only would I have not lost a single ounce, but I would have gained some fat. So imagine the effects it would have in a caloric deficit. LBM change was a slight increase. While I said earlier that I am no longer running bulking cycles, those of you who still plan on bulking, this might actually be a perfect stack. But let's focus on fat loss here...

    As you know, the lower your body fat percentage, the harder it is to lose fat. I'm at 12.06% today. I assure you, that someone between 16 to 20% would see much better results than I did. It's no secret... The heavier you are, the more you'll notice. This goes for any successful diet/protocol.

    Ingredients Needed:

    1. Chromium Picolinate
    2. Synephrine
    3. EGCG (Green Tea Extract)

    How Each Ingredient Works:

    Chromium:
    I've been using this for just a little over a month now. After member basketballfan22 asked me about it in my protocol thread, I realized that my knowledge was pretty limited and that triggered some heavy duty research on my part. My findings were quite astonishing and had me running to the store for the supplement. I had to find out for myself, and I'm happy to report that in just over a month, I'm putting my stamp of approval on this one.

    Chromium is quite underrated. My research shows that many of us are actually deficient. This has everything to do with agricultural practices and processing by manufacturers. In other words, you're not getting enough chromium from the food you purchase at your local store. You can also blame the government, too! Dang FDA regulations!

    We all have cravings, especially for starchy foods and sweets. Acting on these cravings above moderation raises insulin levels. That's a surefire way to increase fat cell size. Couple that with a chromium deficiency and you can pretty much forget about fat loss. Unless you burn an astronomical amount of calories daily (most of us don't), you'll gain fat and even potentially become a diabetic. Chromium can and will balance insulin levels and inevitably leading to a smaller fat cell. The insulin-sensitivity-regulating mineral will help redirect your appetite away from sweets and starches because you're finally balanced and able to properly process and metabolize sweet foods, starches, etc....

    Chromium is also a key player in energy. Almost everyone on earth complains of fatigue, one of the main side effects of a deficient body. That will help add more minutes on the treadmill.

    Warning: Consult with your doctor if you are diabetic before supplementing with Chromium.

    Synephrine:
    In many ways, this is actually pretty similar to the popular Ephedrine. Much safer, however, dosing still requires caution. I can say this from experience. It's considerably powerful. To give you an example of the measurement used, I've attached an image of the micro-scoop used for a single dose. I almost laughed when I saw the dose, but I followed instructions and it works. It works right away, I could feel it in less than 20 minutes. I also attempted tripling the dose and that didn't go over so well.

    Anyway, Synephrine is derived from both plants and animals. When looking for it, you may find that it's labeled as "Orange Extract". Synephrine will increase your metabolic rate by increasing lipolysis. So all great news so far. Get on amazon to find it, you can get 5 grams pretty cheap and considering the 20mg high dose, this will last you for a very long time. Just mix it with some water drink it.

    Warning: Check your blood pressure while using this. Do not use if you have HBP.

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    EGCG; Green Tea Extract:
    I drink diet green tea everyday as part of my liquid intake. But supplementing with an extract in pill form will yield much more effective dosages. Most folks who claim no results from green tea are the ones who run to the store, purchase some Lipton tea bags and have a cup of hot tea before bed. Forget that nonsense. High doses are required for green tea to make a difference. Let's see how...

    You may have heard the abbreviation: EGCG. This is Epigallocatechin Gallate. The main component in green tea. This component has an effect on your daily energy expenditure, as you'll burn more calories than you normally would, even at rest. Drinking Lipton tea will not provide enough EGCG.

    Important information regarding purchasing this product: You need to be careful when purchasing green tea extract, many of them out there have low percentages of EGCG, so be sure to read the label very carefully and look at the content. Do not search for green tea, search for EGCG as those specifically labeled with the abbreviation will typically have the highest content. For the protocol, you need 600mg of EGCG. I recommend NOW foods, they carry a product that contains 200mg of EGCG per pill. So for our protocol you'd be taking 3 pills.

    Note: Take green tea extract with your daily fish oil supplement, this will increase bioavailability.

    The Protocol:

    Chromium: 800mcg daily
    Synephrine: 10 mg (1 scoop), for 3 days, if you feel OK, increase to 20 mg (2 scoops)
    EGCG: 600mg daily (that's 600mg of EGCG, not to be confused with total green tea extract)



    Frequently Asked Questions:

    When do I take this stack and how often?
    Because Synephrine works very quickly, I recommend that you take everything pre-workout. Once a day is all you need.


    Should I take it on days I'm not working out?
    Absolutely, yes. Take it everyday until you're happy with your progress. I recommend that you give yourself a 7 day break from Synephrine every 30 days.


    Will I look like kelkel in 30 days?
    No, dummy. The man has never seen a treadmill and has abs of steel. But in 30 days you should have a noticeable difference. Your jeans will be looser.


    Do I need to eat below TDEE?
    Well, preferably. But since March, I've been eating at maintenance and haven't lost an ounce until I started this protocol and lost fat. This protocol was the only change I made.


    Are there any side effects?
    Chromium and EGCG will not give you any issues. Just be cautious with Synephrine as it's similar to ephedrine. Taking too much can make you jittery and give you that nasty "nervous" feeling in your elbows. Start low and increase slowly. I can only handle 2 micro-scoops. You might be able to do more but I don't recommend you attempt it because it works at smaller doses. As mentioned above, give yourself a week break for every month you're on it.


    Where Can I get these supplements?
    Google search! I got all of mine on amazon. Don't panic, you'll find them.


    Quote Originally Posted by AD View Post
    i found green tea extract but it doesn't say how much ECGC, just say equiv to 1500mg dry leaf extract. according to the wiki page on green tea extract, dry extract has more than 25% of catechin. so can i assume the ecge content is 25% x 1500mg = 375mg?

    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    No. Follow me here...

    Catechin breaks down to 6 compounds. EGCG, EGC, ECG, EC, GC and C.

    EGCG accounts for 50% of the group.

    So, your math is a good start... we have 375mg of Catechin. Divide that by 2 and you'll get the EGCG content, so your supplement has 187.5mg of EGCG.

    WHERE TO FIND THE PRODUCTS:

    Syn: http://healthsupplementwholesalers.c...synephrine-hcl
    egcg: http://www.nowfoods.com/EGCg-Green-T...g-Capsules.htm
    chrm: http://www.naturesbounty.com/product/002603

    ^ Those are the manufacturers and the products I recommend. I don't know about any others. I have not tested any others. You will need to use their "Where to buy" links if they do not sell products directly. I have no other info on any other products.


    FINAL NOTE. PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING IN THIS THREAD:

    DO NOT ASK ME IF IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE TO TAKE OTHER COMPOUNDS. IF YOU TAKE OTHER COMPOUNDS (FOR THE PURPOSE OF BOOSTING THIS STACK) IT WOULD NOT BE MY STACK. I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH QUESTIONS REGARDING OTHER COMPOUNDS USED TO BOOST THIS STACK. MY STACK IS TRIED, TESTED AND PROVEN TO WORK AT THESE DOSES IN A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE MANNER. IF YOU WANT RESULTS LIKE MINE, DO NOT VARY FROM IT. JUST FOLLOW MY TIMING AND DO NOT ASK ME HOW TO BOOST THIS STACK. PLEASE, AGAIN... DO NOT ASK ME IF IT'S OK TO COMBINE ANYTHING WITH THIS STACK FOR ANY REASON. THE ANSWER IS NO.

    YOU WILL NOT FEEL JOLTS, JITTERS OR WHATEVER. THERE ARE NO SIGNS TO LOOK FOR OTHER THAN YOUR WAIST-LINE GETTING SMALLER. DO NOT CONTACT ME AND DO NOT ASK ME WHY YOU DON'T 'FEEL' ANYTHING. I WILL NOT ANSWER PRIVATE MESSAGES REGARDING THIS STACK. POST QUESTIONS HERE.
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    Nice work bud

    Another FAQ that you will get, 'How many times a day should I take this stack?'
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    Also, which Chromium are you using? Picolinate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    Nice work bud

    Another FAQ that you will get, 'How many times a day should I take this stack?'
    Thanks BIB. Added it to the first FAQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure View Post
    Also, which Chromium are you using? Picolinate?
    Picolinate. yes. I'll note that. thanks.
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    well done austinite!

    do you think one would need to use anything for his/her CNS once taking a break from the Synephrine?

    lmao at the kelkel comment and so true. i think he is allergic to treadmills and the C word

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00 View Post
    well done austinite!

    do you think one would need to use anything for his/her CNS once taking a break from the Synephrine?

    lmao at the kelkel comment and so true. i think he is allergic to treadmills and the C word
    thx rc. I think a break will suffice.
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    I know you are a big fan of Zinc for acne, so I'm curious with this new stack how you are timing the chromium? I wanted to add zinc to my routine daily, however when researching it I found that chromium and zinc will block each other from being absorbed and my doc put me on Cr for insulin resistance so would love to hear your thought on how to add both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    I know you are a big fan of Zinc for acne, so I'm curious with this new stack how you are timing the chromium? I wanted to add zinc to my routine daily, however when researching it I found that chromium and zinc will block each other from being absorbed and my doc put me on Cr for insulin resistance so would love to hear your thought on how to add both.
    Pre workout at 11pm. I take zinc first thing in the AM, no issues brother, remember the doses outlined are far more than your RDA, These mega doses are not affected in that way.

    You need to talk to your doc when dealing with medicating with anything insulin related.
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    good deal, I have just been holding off on adding Zinc until I go back in and speak with him and get a peek at E2 levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    good deal, I have just been holding off on adding Zinc until I go back in and speak with him and get a peek at E2 levels.
    Good call John. What are you on TRT for if you don't mind me asking? Did they just provide treatment or did they find the cause?
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    secondary hypo, doc didn't find much in the way of cause when the blood/ultrasounds and started treatment. I have an introduction post in HRT from a few weeks back with my protocol and BW. First month the acne got a little out of hand so bought some Zinc per your acne thread then read the Cr interaction and haven't opened it ... thankfully it's starting to level off so we'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    secondary hypo, doc didn't find much in the way of cause when the blood/ultrasounds and started treatment. I have an introduction post in HRT from a few weeks back with my protocol and BW. First month the acne got a little out of hand so bought some Zinc per your acne thread then read the Cr interaction and haven't opened it ... thankfully it's starting to level off so we'll see
    gotcha. Thanks for explaining. I'll check your thread. Let me know please what the doc says about high doses of chromium, I'm very interested.
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    Wil I look like kel?? Lmao!!

    Nice read brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    gotcha. Thanks for explaining. I'll check your thread. Let me know please what the doc says about high doses of chromium, I'm very interested.
    initially he actually wanted me at 2000mcg daily, then told me he wanted to lower it since that could cause me to feel "sick". He didn't explain exactly how it could upset me lol so dropped me to 500mcg I should have asked more details was there for "injection training" so my mind was a little distracted lmao

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    great read mate!......will definitely be giving this a go sometime.

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    Nice informative post! Maybe you can relate this stack to other fat burning stacks you've tried (ECA?, Oxyelite Pro?, etc.).
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    Yet another amazing post austinite. Great job. At least I have contributed something besides constant headaches with all my questioning, lol. I have more questions though. Surprise, surprise.
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    To begin, you are more aware about my position dietary and lifting wise than anyone else; so would you still recommend this stack for me? I am trying to leanly bulk (key word here is leanly), and I have an extremely fast metabolism. Yet I would still like to reduce my body fat by 1 or 2 percent so I can be around 10%. I know you said I should just focus on bulking first, then reduce any additional body fat I acquire after.

    Second, would it be fine to use this stack in conjunction with your vascularity stack? In that stack you recommend 1,260 mg of green tea extract; does this equate to 600 mg of EGCG (based on the particular green tea extract you use)? I ask because I plan to get a powder that is 50% EGCG and this fits both of these protocols. In the other protocol you spilt the green tea extract into three doses, if I do both protocols, should I just do one dose or split it up?
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    Austinite...great as usual man. Thank you for putting the time in, not only in the write up, but the research as well. He has a ton of work invested here folks!
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    First. Ha Ha!

    Second. Great work! You should take time off from work more often!

    Third. You know I've mentioned on this site about fat cells and that they only "shrink" but nobody listened! Thanks.

    Fourth. New word of the day: Epigallocatechin Gallate

    Fifth. I've seen those treadmill things. From a distance.

    Sixth. Repeat Second.
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    Also I wanted to thank you for the information about fat cells. I have to admit that I never knew they only shrank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    First. Ha Ha!

    Second. Great work! You should take time off from work more often!

    Third. You know I've mentioned on this site about fat cells and that they only "shrink" but nobody listened! Thanks.

    Fourth. New word of the day: Epigallocatechin Gallate

    Fifth. I've seen those treadmill things. From a distance.

    Sixth. Repeat Second.
    Quote Originally Posted by basketballfan22 View Post
    Also I wanted to thank you for the information about fat cells. I have to admit that I never knew they only shrank.
    kelkel and austinite are both dead on about of reduction of fat cell size, not "burning fat." And it is a very valuable piece of info to have for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballfan22 View Post
    To begin, you are more aware about my position dietary and lifting wise than anyone else; so would you still recommend this stack for me? I am trying to leanly bulk (key word here is leanly), and I have an extremely fast metabolism. Yet I would still like to reduce my body fat by 1 or 2 percent so I can be around 10%. I know you said I should just focus on bulking first, then reduce any additional body fat I acquire after.

    Second, would it be fine to use this stack in conjunction with your vascularity stack? In that stack you recommend 1,260 mg of green tea extract; does this equate to 600 mg of EGCG (based on the particular green tea extract you use)? I ask because I plan to get a powder that is 50% EGCG and this fits both of these protocols. In the other protocol you spilt the green tea extract into three doses, if I do both protocols, should I just do one dose or split it up?
    Regardless of your metabolism, you should still benefit from this stack.

    You can certainly use this with the vascularity stack. But the Vas/Stack does not include green tea. Anyway, if you are using any protocol that include green tea, and you want to run this fat loss stack, you should just use the green tea in this stack and drop the other.

    Splitting dose is fine I specified to take at once for this particular stack to make keep it simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by energizer bunny View Post
    great read mate!......will definitely be giving this a go sometime.
    Thanks buddy.

    Quote Originally Posted by M302_Imola View Post
    Nice informative post! Maybe you can relate this stack to other fat burning stacks you've tried (ECA?, Oxyelite Pro?, etc.).
    Much appreciate Imola... and good idea! Learned a lot from you since I've followed your posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon View Post
    Austinite...great as usual man. Thank you for putting the time in, not only in the write up, but the research as well. He has a ton of work invested here folks!
    Thanks Odins, I appreciate the kind words brother.

    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    First. Ha Ha!

    Second. Great work! You should take time off from work more often!

    Third. You know I've mentioned on this site about fat cells and that they only "shrink" but nobody listened! Thanks.

    Fourth. New word of the day: Epigallocatechin Gallate

    Fifth. I've seen those treadmill things. From a distance.

    Sixth. Repeat Second.
    lol, I had to throw something in there. Thanks for the kind words, and yes, I've certainly come across your posts mentioning fat cell shrinkage. I think it's a discouraging fact for many people and that's why it's generally ignored. But folks just need to understand that you can shrink your cells enough to have the abs and the shredded look eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Regardless of your metabolism, you should still benefit from this stack.

    You can certainly use this with the vascularity stack. But the Vas/Stack does not include green tea. Anyway, if you are using any protocol that include green tea, and you want to run this fat loss stack, you should just use the green tea in this stack and drop the other.

    Splitting dose is fine I specified to take at once for this particular stack to make keep it simple.
    In your "Amino Acids" thread (which you told me was the vascular stack), you have green tea extract in the chart you posted; I also asked about it in the thread. Regardless, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballfan22 View Post
    In your "Amino Acids" thread (which you told me was the vascular stack), you have green tea extract in the chart you posted; I also asked about it in the thread. Regardless, thanks.
    Thats not the vascularity stack, although it could be That's my complete protocol. Look at the very bottom of the thread for the specific vascularity stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite

    Understanding Fat:

    Did you know that your fat cells remain with you forever? That's right. They don't magically disappear, they don't turn into muscle and they don't burn away. When you lose fat-weight, you're actually shrinking the fat cells. That's it. Fat cells are there to stay, in your stomach, arms, thighs, etc... So now you understand the concept. We are working on shrinking fat cells here. This is mainly why I made the decision to put an end to bulking cycles a while back.

    My Experience:

    I've been on this protocol for a little over a month from the date of this post. I am pleased with my experience. This is while eating at TDEE, not under. I'm doing basic maintenance calories. I've been supplementing with green tea for a while, but haven't taken mega-doses until this experiment. Chromium was never in my diet, so that's new to me. Finally, Synephrine is also new to me.

    It's merely impossible for me to lose fat while eating at maintenance. I've never had the pleasure of meeting this occurrence until now. In just a little over 30 days, I lost 5.6 lbs of fat. Doesn't sound like much, huh? Well, I can tell you that without this protocol, not only would I have not lost a single ounce, but I would have gained some fat. So imagine the effects it would have in a caloric deficit. LBM change was a slight increase. While I said earlier that I am no longer running bulking cycles, those of you who still plan on bulking, this might actually be a perfect stack. But let's focus on fat loss here...

    As you know, the lower your body fat percentage, the harder it is to lose fat. I'm at 12.06% today. I assure you, that someone between 16 to 20% would see much better results than I did. It's no secret... The heavier you are, the more you'll notice. This goes for any successful diet/protocol.

    Ingredients Needed:

    1. Chromium Picolinate
    2. Synephrine
    3. EGCG (Green Tea Extract)

    Good Luck and Happy Fat Cell Shrinking!
    So at 30% eat TDEE I would amplify my results from yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412 View Post
    So at 30% eat TDEE I would amplify my results from yours?
    Dang pitt. Can you edit and remove the quote, kind of a massive quote, lol.

    I don't know what you mean by "amplify my results from yours?" can you rephrase please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Thats not the vascularity stack, although it could be That's my complete protocol. Look at the very bottom of the thread for the specific vascularity stack.
    Oh man you are killing me, lol. To prove my sanity here are the posts I was referring to:

    Me: You included a vascularity protocol in the first post, so what is this thread's protocol specifically for? Energy and vascularity?

    You: vascularity

    To be an even bigger pain in your ass, do you plan to update that thread to include your chromium and synephrine use?

    By the way I am just giving you a hard time. I am not that selfish and ungrateful, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballfan22 View Post
    Oh man you are killing me, lol. To prove my sanity here are the posts I was referring to:

    Me: You included a vascularity protocol in the first post, so what is this thread's protocol specifically for? Energy and vascularity?

    You: vascularity

    To be an even bigger pain in your ass, do you plan to update that thread to include your chromium and synephrine use?

    By the way I am just giving you a hard time. I am not that selfish and ungrateful, lol.
    Like I said above, its my protocol thread and I've included a specific vascularity stack at the bottom. The answer to your question in the other thread was vascularity because the majority of the protocol yields results closer to that than energy. I didn't want to "label" the entire thread but I did want to answer your question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Dang pitt. Can you edit and remove the quote, kind of a massive quote, lol.

    I don't know what you mean by "amplify my results from yours?" can you rephrase please?
    You said somewhere in there that if you eat under TDEE you could have much better results? And common sense says to me that If you at 10% lost 5lbs me at 30% should loose 15lbs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412 View Post
    You said somewhere in there that if you eat under TDEE you could have much better results? And common sense says to me that If you at 10% lost 5lbs me at 30% should loose 15lbs ?
    I'm not at 10%. If you're at 30% you should see great results. There is no mathematical formula. Results will vary. Watch blood pressure very closely at 30% BF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    I'm not at 10%. If you're at 30% you should see great results. There is no mathematical formula. Results will vary. Watch blood pressure very closely at 30% BF.
    Will it raise or lower BP?

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    ^ Has potential to raise. But not enough to be concerned unless you already have HBP.
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    Ha! I could have used this big time last year! Another awesome post by the natural guru! thanks man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon View Post
    kelkel and austinite are both dead on about of reduction of fat cell size, not "burning fat." And it is a very valuable piece of info to have for sure!

    I've quoted this for years longer than I've been here. It's why I never really believed in bulking. I just don't want the fat. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I've quoted this for years longer than I've been here. It's why I never really believed in bulking. I just don't want the fat. Ever.
    Right. It should be made clear that there are no more fat cells to accumulate. Only expansion and shrinkage. There are 2 stages of accumulating fat cells, in the womb, and one last time during puberty. After that we're done accumulating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Right. It should be made clear that there are no more fat cells to accumulate. Only expansion and shrinkage. There are 2 stages of accumulating fat cells, in the womb, and one last time during puberty. After that we're done accumulating.
    So in other words, if you were/are a skinny teen and you want to know what you have to look forward to when you get old and haven't kept up a healthy lifestyle, just look at your baby pictures and add 250lbs.
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