Kratom...anyone know or use this?

[MuscleScience]

I've had access to it, just haven't had the nerves to try it. I don't want to be "that guy" that has some unexpected adverse reaction to it LOL.

Its really self limiting in its effects. So chances of a nasty adverse reaction are lower. Having said that, I have a really bad time with Cannabiods. I just can't handle them for some reason. Even though I know many people that do great and don't get what I get.

[CrossOps]

Its really self limiting in its effects. So chances of a nasty adverse reaction are lower. Having said that, I have a really bad time with Cannabiods. I just can't handle them for some reason. Even though I know many people that do great and don't get what I get.

Hey MuscleScience, can you tell me what it does to you? What is it that you cant handle. I do not want to get in trouble, and Admin / Moderator let me know and I can edit this post but... MuscleSciene have you tried isolate or wax? If not, any chance we could work out a deal? I can send you free samples, but I would really like to know in private how it did or did not work for you. I just need some feedback on it.

In brief, I would love to test a different delivery method for CBD and would like to know how it worked.

[MuscleScience]

Hey MuscleScience, can you tell me what it does to you? What is it that you cant handle. I do not want to get in trouble, and Admin / Moderator let me know and I can edit this post but... MuscleSciene have you tried isolate or wax? If not, any chance we could work out a deal? I can send you free samples, but I would really like to know in private how it did or did not work for you. I just need some feedback on it.

In brief, I would love to test a different delivery method for CBD and would like to know how it worked.

I'm not in a state where it's legal to have even for medical purposes.

However, it causes me to feel like I can't breath, extreme paranoia, can't sleep, can't function just basically all around reactions that most people in a million years would ever get. I only take Kratom to help releave the constant pain and muscle spasm I have from my weightlifting accident.

[CrossOps]

Understood. I know there are a few state that have specific rules about CBD. When you took CBD did you get dry mouth? Abdominal pain? Diarrhea?

[TheRoof]

Chiming in to deliver the 'Kratom Bible'. Has tons of great info, just make sure you have adequate time!


...well it wouldn't let me post the link. Simply search 'The Kratom Bible'

[Cupid]

I have used Kratom.

I used to be an opiate addict (specifically Vicodin).

Kratom lightly stimulates your opiate receptors. You will get a little high. It does have addiction potential, especially for someone with previous history of painkiller addiction. It is definitely less addictive, but its still there. For me, when I went on it for a month straight, the withdrawals were about 2-3 days long. Much easier to wean off it. It will definitely help with pain and mood to a certain extent.

At the end of the day, it is a drug, and with come with all the same positives and negatives of other opiate drugs, just a little milder in both directions.

[MuscleScience]

Little update,

I am thankful Kratom hasn't got band. I had a very bad flare up
Of my back. One of the worst I have had. Luckily I have been able to control
The pain and muscle spasm almost 100%. I haven't even refilled my OxyContin prescription in 6 months at least. In the past I would be suffering all day, took a pill when I got home and be a waste of my night. Now I make myself a tea drink, wait 30 min then walk/run to the gym and get one in. This would have been unthinkable 6-8 months ago.

[almostgone]

Little update,

I am thankful Kratom hasn't got band. I had a very bad flare up
Of my back. One of the worst I have had. Luckily I have been able to control
The pain and muscle spasm almost 100%. I haven't even refilled my OxyContin prescription in 6 months at least. In the past I would be suffering all day, took a pill when I got home and be a waste of my night. Now I make myself a tea drink, wait 30 min then walk/run to the gym and get one in. This would have been unthinkable 6-8 months ago.

That's excellent, MuscleSci! I also occasionally struggle with spasms of the spinal erectors and it will literally put me to the ground. It has improved somewhat over the past few years, I think regular deep tissue work and stretching has helped somewhat.
I would much rather resort to Kratom for short periods of time vs. having to take Lortab, Flexeril, and Voltaren for extended periods.

[Scuba Greaves]

it can give you an opiate like high at higher doses, and stimulating like buzz at lower doses.

[NACH3]

Its really self limiting in its effects. So chances of a nasty adverse reaction are lower. Having said that, I have a really bad time with Cannabiods. I just can't handle them for some reason. Even though I know many people that do great and don't get what I get.

They've helped me physically, with my anxiety and PTSD... if if doesn't cause paranoia BP to rise etc and if your in the states where more and more states are legalizing it for rec purposes - try it - edibles are more for totally body relief and they can relax you just as well as a Benzodiazpine!

[tarmyg]

On the remote chance, anyone knows where I can buy this while in India I am asking here :-) Maybe some suppliers in Indonesia or Thailand?

[tarmyg]

NVM, got that sorted. Down to select which strand to use. Any recommendations on that?

[elastica]

A little late to this, but I discovered kratom last year and have consumed it regularly ever since. With my chronic issues it has been a godsend to me. I mostly take it preworkout but will once or twice on an off day if my shoulder pain is unbearable.

I like it most for its energizing properties, taking enough to cause sedation causes some unpleasant lag and a slight hangover. I have debilitating chronic fatigue, kratom makes my body feel normal for a little while. It increases my focus and is anxiolytic and antidepressant for me. I would be much less functional without it.

The first few times I took it small doses were enough to cause sedation. I take a single 2.5 g dose nearly every day and haven't encountered tolerance issues. My tendinosis pain disappears, along with whatever other aches and pains I'm having at the time including headaches.

My go-to strain is White Maeng Da. It's the only white vein I've tried and I like it so much I haven't been inclined to try others. If I'm home for the evening but still have a bunch of stuff to do I like Red Maeng Da. White veins tend to lean more towards stimulating/energizing effects, red towards pain relief/sedation, and Maeng Da in general is usually stimulating. I get great pain relief and stimulation from both the red and white veins, but a slightly different balance between the two.

I like the stimulating properties of Green Malaysian, it's great if I want to dose in the morning and the effects seem to last longer than other strains. I get some pain relief with this one, but not like from the other strains I take. Green Malay gives me pronounced mood uplifting and beneficial cognitive effects.

Red Borneo is another one of my staples. I like this one for when my pain is at its worst, or if I don't have much in the way of obligations because it induces relaxation so well. Excellent pain relief with little to no stimulation from this one. It also works for me in 2.5 g doses.

If you want to consume it as a tea you should add a little acid, like lemon juice, to help with extraction. I just weigh the powder out and swallow it with a sip of something followed by a full glass of liquid, usually coffee. It's a lot easier to get past the taste that way, although it doesn't seem nearly as bad as it used to. I find it works best to always consume on an empty stomach.

[MuscleScience]

A little late to this, but I discovered kratom last year and have consumed it regularly ever since. With my chronic issues it has been a godsend to me. I mostly take it preworkout but will once or twice on an off day if my shoulder pain is unbearable.

I like it most for its energizing properties, taking enough to cause sedation causes some unpleasant lag and a slight hangover. I have debilitating chronic fatigue, kratom makes my body feel normal for a little while. It increases my focus and is anxiolytic and antidepressant for me. I would be much less functional without it.

The first few times I took it small doses were enough to cause sedation. I take a single 2.5 g dose nearly every day and haven't encountered tolerance issues. My tendinosis pain disappears, along with whatever other aches and pains I'm having at the time including headaches.

My go-to strain is White Maeng Da. It's the only white vein I've tried and I like it so much I haven't been inclined to try others. If I'm home for the evening but still have a bunch of stuff to do I like Red Maeng Da. White veins tend to lean more towards stimulating/energizing effects, red towards pain relief/sedation, and Maeng Da in general is usually stimulating. I get great pain relief and stimulation from both the red and white veins, but a slightly different balance between the two.

I like the stimulating properties of Green Malaysian, it's great if I want to dose in the morning and the effects seem to last longer than other strains. I get some pain relief with this one, but not like from the other strains I take. Green Malay gives me pronounced mood uplifting and beneficial cognitive effects.

Red Borneo is another one of my staples. I like this one for when my pain is at its worst, or if I don't have much in the way of obligations because it induces relaxation so well. Excellent pain relief with little to no stimulation from this one. It also works for me in 2.5 g doses.

If you want to consume it as a tea you should add a little acid, like lemon juice, to help with extraction. I just weigh the powder out and swallow it with a sip of something followed by a full glass of liquid, usually coffee. It's a lot easier to get past the taste that way, although it doesn't seem nearly as bad as it used to. I find it works best to always consume on an empty stomach.

Great info thanks for posting! It's changed my life for the better.

Do you ever brew it like a tea. The only side effects I notice is that when I drink the powder is that it gums up my poo and dehydrates me to some extent.

[RaginCajun]

A little late to this, but I discovered kratom last year and have consumed it regularly ever since. With my chronic issues it has been a godsend to me. I mostly take it preworkout but will once or twice on an off day if my shoulder pain is unbearable.

I like it most for its energizing properties, taking enough to cause sedation causes some unpleasant lag and a slight hangover. I have debilitating chronic fatigue, kratom makes my body feel normal for a little while. It increases my focus and is anxiolytic and antidepressant for me. I would be much less functional without it.

The first few times I took it small doses were enough to cause sedation. I take a single 2.5 g dose nearly every day and haven't encountered tolerance issues. My tendinosis pain disappears, along with whatever other aches and pains I'm having at the time including headaches.

My go-to strain is White Maeng Da. It's the only white vein I've tried and I like it so much I haven't been inclined to try others. If I'm home for the evening but still have a bunch of stuff to do I like Red Maeng Da. White veins tend to lean more towards stimulating/energizing effects, red towards pain relief/sedation, and Maeng Da in general is usually stimulating. I get great pain relief and stimulation from both the red and white veins, but a slightly different balance between the two.

I like the stimulating properties of Green Malaysian, it's great if I want to dose in the morning and the effects seem to last longer than other strains. I get some pain relief with this one, but not like from the other strains I take. Green Malay gives me pronounced mood uplifting and beneficial cognitive effects.

Red Borneo is another one of my staples. I like this one for when my pain is at its worst, or if I don't have much in the way of obligations because it induces relaxation so well. Excellent pain relief with little to no stimulation from this one. It also works for me in 2.5 g doses.

If you want to consume it as a tea you should add a little acid, like lemon juice, to help with extraction. I just weigh the powder out and swallow it with a sip of something followed by a full glass of liquid, usually coffee. It's a lot easier to get past the taste that way, although it doesn't seem nearly as bad as it used to. I find it works best to always consume on an empty stomach.

in bold, that is what i want to try it for.

thanks for your input elastica!

[tarmyg]

Ok, I got my order done:

Green Bali 1kg
Green Jawi 500gr (free)
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Products 1kg = $35
Shipping to India via EMS= $38
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Total amounts $73

Ended up only getting samples, see later post.

[elastica]

Do you ever brew it like a tea. The only side effects I notice is that when I drink the powder is that it gums up my poo and dehydrates me to some extent.

When I first started I always made tea out of it, sometimes in batches large enough to last several days. I think the taste is much worse when having to get down an amount of kratom flavored liquid, as opposed to just downing a spoonful of powder in a single go. I always follow it with a good bit of liquid. I don't have any problem with it messing up my poo but it can be constipating for some people.

[Deal Me In]

Can anyone speak about the effects Kratom has on sleep? I'm very fortunate not to have any chronic pain or injuries but suffer from insomnia brought on by anxiety. I hate taking sleeping pills and I'm in constant search for more natural alternatives. Xanax works best for me to sleep but for obvious reasons it isn't a long term solution.

I know most of you use it for pain relief, but has anyone noticed any benefit to sleep? Or actually just a relaxing feeling? The weird thing is, I don't have stress or anxiety during the day. It's just when I lay down to sleep I can't turn my mind off. I'm not even sure if it's anxiety, just a mind that won't quit.

Please let me know if anyone has had success in this area.

Thanks guys.

[MuscleScience]

Can anyone speak about the effects Kratom has on sleep? I'm very fortunate not to have any chronic pain or injuries but suffer from insomnia brought on by anxiety. I hate taking sleeping pills and I'm in constant search for more natural alternatives. Xanax works best for me to sleep but for obvious reasons it isn't a long term solution.

I know most of you use it for pain relief, but has anyone noticed any benefit to sleep? Or actually just a relaxing feeling? The weird thing is, I don't have stress or anxiety during the day. It's just when I lay down to sleep I can't turn my mind off. I'm not even sure if it's anxiety, just a mind that won't quit.

Please let me know if anyone has had success in this area.

Thanks guys.

It helps my insomnia extremely well. I sleep through the night and very heavily. My problem was falling asleep and when I did, waking up and not being able to go back to sleep. I fall asleep almost immediately and sleep to my alarm. I would try that over xanax or fucking ambian, which is the devil. Lol

[Deal Me In]

MS, thanks. That's what I'm looking for. Can you tell me what dose you take to sleep. From what I'm reading it says you need to take a higher dose, 5g or more, to get the sedative effect. Lower doses seem to promote energy. Do you find this to be true? Also, is there any particular strand that is more effective.

Thanks again.

[tarmyg]

Here is an update on what I got. I ordered mine directly from Indonesia and the company has been pretty amazing in communicating, to say the least. Instead of buying it like normal, as I had no idea if it would make customs here in India he sent it to my wife's lab with a complete Material Data Safety Sheet (MSDS) report and I only had to pay shipping for a few samples ($38).

I got 100g of each of the following:

Green Maeng Da
Green Bali
Red Maeng Da
Red Bali
White Maeng Da
White Bali

As it is the first time I am trying this I am going to try the Green Bali.

I found the following recommendations to try and if anyone disagrees your input would be much appreciated!

Threshold – 1.5 grams
Light – 2.0 – 2.5 grams
Moderate – 2.5 – 4.0 grams
High – 4.0 – 6.0 grams (Side effects unlikely, but can occur at the higher end)
V. High – 6.0 – 9.0 grams (Side effects significantly more likely)
REF: Bali Kratom: On Effects, Dosage and Properties | Enso Botanicals

Thanks
~t

[almostgone]

About all I can offer is at the "very high" dosage, I get a fuzzy/hangover feeling the next day.

[RaginCajun]

Here is an update on what I got. I ordered mine directly from Indonesia and the company has been pretty amazing in communicating, to say the least. Instead of buying it like normal, as I had no idea if it would make customs here in India he sent it to my wife's lab with a complete Material Data Safety Sheet (MSDS) report and I only had to pay shipping for a few samples ($38).

I got 100g of each of the following:

Green Maeng Da
Green Bali
Red Maeng Da
Red Bali
White Maeng Da
White Bali

As it is the first time I am trying this I am going to try the Green Bali.

I found the following recommendations to try and if anyone disagrees your input would be much appreciated!

Threshold – 1.5 grams
Light – 2.0 – 2.5 grams
Moderate – 2.5 – 4.0 grams
High – 4.0 – 6.0 grams (Side effects unlikely, but can occur at the higher end)
V. High – 6.0 – 9.0 grams (Side effects significantly more likely)
REF: Bali Kratom: On Effects, Dosage and Properties | Enso Botanicals

Thanks
~t

nice update

are you going to update this in your thread in the nutrition/diet section?

and man, sounds like you got one hell of a deal!!!

[tarmyg]

nice update

are you going to update this in your thread in the nutrition/diet section?

and man, sounds like you got one hell of a deal!!!

I'll update in my thread and yeah, the guy was very helpful.

[tarmyg]

Tried 4 grams of the Green Bali today. You know what it did? Absolutely nothing :-) Going to try another one tomorrow and see what happens.

[almostgone]

Tried 4 grams of the Green Bali today. You know what it did? Absolutely nothing :-) Going to try another one tomorrow and see what happens.

The lighter doses didn't do much for me in the pain department, tarmyg. Upwards of 6-8 grams did but I felt "blah" the next morning. That might have dissipated with continued use?

[MuscleScience]

The lighter doses didn't do much for me in the pain department, tarmyg. Upwards of 6-8 grams did but I felt "blah" the next morning. That might have dissipated with continued use?

I have been now using it allmost daily for 6months now. The blah feeling goes away over time. I have been going through a lot of unexpected and unfavorable life changes. It has really helped with my anxiety. I start getting a panick attack, I take 6 gram of Kratom and it stops it cold.

I am not sure how I would get by this past 6 months without it to be honest. I'm not a fan of pharmaceuticals much and know they have their time and place. But this stuff works a million times better that xanax or Ativan without the sides. If a take a xanax a couple days in a row at the lowest dose. I will have the worst retrograde memory loss.

[almostgone]

I have been now using it allmost daily for 6months now. The blah feeling goes away over time. I have been going through a lot of unexpected and unfavorable life changes. It has really helped with my anxiety. I start getting a panick attack, I take 6 gram of Kratom and it stops it cold.

I am not sure how I would get by this past 6 months without it to be honest. I'm not a fan of pharmaceuticals much and know they have their time and place. But this stuff works a million times better that xanax or Ativan without the sides. If a take a xanax a couple days in a row at the lowest dose. I will have the worst retrograde memory loss.

So that's what does it. I was beginning to think the films in high school were correct and I was smoking up my brain cells back then.

[MuscleScience]

So that's what does it. I was beginning to think the films in high school were correct and I was smoking up my brain cells back then.

That Is a common side effect of all benzodiazepines. Some are much worse than others, although I am not a pharmacist, I don't think there is a way to combat that particular side.

[hammerheart]

I get slurred speech from low dose stanozolol , I wonder what could happen if I dare to take a benzo..

[RaginCajun]

So that's what does it. I was beginning to think the films in high school were correct and I was smoking up my brain cells back then.

we use to call the bars eraser pills!

haha!

[tarmyg]

This morning I tried a different kind, Green Maeng Da, same experience as previous, nothing happened. Going to try a White one next. After that, I'll try higher dosages.

[MuscleScience]

This morning I tried a different kind, Green Maeng Da, same experience as previous, nothing happened. Going to try a White one next. After that, I'll try higher dosages.

If you have took any amount of opioids before. Low doses below 6g probably won't have much effect.

[tarmyg]

If you have took any amount of opioids before. Low doses below 6g probably won't have much effect.

Never taken opioids, though. Strongest I ever took was Ibuprofen.

[tarmyg]

Just took about 8g of White Bali, let's see what happens!

[tarmyg]

White Bali at 8g did nothing except make me a bit lightheaded for about 20 minutes.

[tarmyg]

3 days of Kratom and I am holding 4 lb of water all of a sudden. Anyone experience this?

[MuscleScience]

3 days of Kratom and I am holding 4 lb of water all of a sudden. Anyone experience this?

No, it dries me out.

Are you taking it on an empty stomach? If not, or seriously affects absorption.

[Deal Me In]

I'm having the same experience. I ordered a "sample pack" and got 1oz of 7 different types. I hade to take what I consider a large dose, 6-8g to notice anything.

My biggest problem is the inconsistency of the effects. One day, 7g will have a very relaxing feeling and the next day, not so much. Of the seven different strands I tried none had an energizing effect. All where either relaxing or no effect. I did notice going over 9g had a very negative effect. Hangover the next day, and in one case, severe diarrhea.

I'm still playing around with it but for me it seems really hard to dose. If you can get the dose and strain right it seems to work as advertised. But finding that sweet spot seems to be difficult. I'm not sure how much money I want to dump into this to find it.

Further, I can't report on the pain killing aspect which seems to be what everyone is interested in. I'm very lucky to not have any chronic pain after a lifetime of collision sports. My wife has chronic pain in her hands from work and I wanted to give it to her to try but I won't until I get all the dose and strain nonsense worked out.

If I figure it out I will let everyone know. Thanks to everyone who has participated in this thread so far. You have helped me a lot. I really think this can be a useful compound if you can get the strain and dose right.

[tarmyg]

Taking a few day off trying this and "happy" to see I am not the only one having a problem.