The preworkout lie

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-10-2016, 11:34 PM

I thought this was very interessting and enough to send some money away from my pocket. So i ordered l-arginine. And i will use only that before my nect workout, but tons of it. Like 10 grams perhaps. And no coffein.
As he says, all preworkouts are filled with lots of "scientific" stuff that dont work and just a little of what works.
Anyone tried his take?...i forsure will

**NACH3** · 08-11-2016, 03:45 AM

Carbolyn is good stuff! I like using a P/C BCAAs creatine all in one pre/intra/& post works great keeps your Cs up and energy in up... And keeps you full! The stuff I use is called anabolic recovery matrix P=28 C 35

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-11-2016, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Carbolyn is good stuff! I like using a P/C BCAAs creatine all in one pre/intra/& post works great keeps your Cs up and energy in up... And keeps you full! The stuff I use is called anabolic recovery matrix P=28 C 35

Yes creatin bcaa and carb a must, but what do u think of dropping 12 g of l-arginine with no coffee to get the best pump ever and to strecth the fascia at a maximum?

**NACH3** · 08-11-2016, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Yes creatin bcaa and carb a must, but what do u think of dropping 12 g of l-arginine with no coffee to get the best pump ever and to strecth the fascia at a maximum?

I know lots of people who do(& swear by it) but idk about the dosing tbh... I'm picking some up as well

**KINGKONG** · 08-11-2016, 08:13 AM

I think a lot of really expensive pre workout stuff can be broken down and bought seperatey for a lot cheaper..mostly l-arginine,caffeine and sugar I take caffeine arginine pre workout and when Iam bulking drink dextrose and whey..my buddy bought some 80 dollar pre workout stuff and after looking at the ingredients I busted his balls because it was about 15 dollars worth of stuff..

**kelkel** · 08-11-2016, 12:58 PM

So why not just use L-Citrulline instead? Works better.

**Sfla80** · 08-11-2016, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

So why not just use L-Citrulline instead? Works better.

Dosed a little low, but good stuff

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**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-11-2016, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

So why not just use L-Citrulline instead? Works better.

cause he says explisitt citrulline is bull

**kelkel** · 08-11-2016, 08:22 PM

"He says?"

Here's the facts. Read up. Whenever you need to research a supplement there is no better place to go than below. Unbiased and just scientific facts:

Arginine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

Citrulline - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

**Livinlean** · 08-11-2016, 09:13 PM

I tried citrulline at 6 grams and then tried arginine at 10 grams both had a good pump. I then tried citrulline at 6 grams and arginine at 5 grams together and man that pump was insane! I wasn't on any gear at that time but I definitely felt like I was. I remember reading somewhere that it is best to take both together as it causes a synergistic effect and I definitely believe in it.

Silabolin, I would take what you read with a grain of salt. If I had to pick one I would chose citrulline because I definitely felt better blood flow than with argnine alone. But again, take this with a grain of salt. Try it out for yourself and see what works best brotha!

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-11-2016, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

"He says?"

Here's the facts. Read up. Whenever you need to research a supplement there is no better place to go than below. Unbiased and just scientific facts:

Arginine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

Citrulline - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

Whats their one rep bench record? I really trust a 55 year old former pro more who has tried it all, talks no bull.
Yes i know the poor bioaviablety, but maybe guys dont take enough. He suggests 12 g.
Well. I know it in hours. I will try 10 grams before my bicepsworkout today.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-11-2016, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Livinlean

I tried citrulline at 6 grams and then tried arginine at 10 grams both had a good pump. I then tried citrulline at 6 grams and arginine at 5 grams together and man that pump was insane! I wasn't on any gear at that time but I definitely felt like I was. I remember reading somewhere that it is best to take both together as it causes a synergistic effect and I definitely believe in it.

Silabolin, I would take what you read with a grain of salt. If I had to pick one I would chose citrulline because I definitely felt better blood flow than with argnine alone. But again, take this with a grain of salt. Try it out for yourself and see what works best brotha!

Thanks. Interessting. Yeah i will. Try 10 g arginine today. See how it rolls. I think the pump from beetrootjuice is better than most preworkouts and he says beetrootpump is nothing compared to 12 g arginine

**DCI** · 08-12-2016, 07:40 AM

I need to up my argingine game. 4g here and getting good pumps

**NACH3** · 08-12-2016, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by DCI

I need to up my argingine game. 4g here and getting good pumps

I've not tried this yet but I'm ready too lol

**NACH3** · 08-12-2016, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Whats their one rep bench record? I really trust a 55 year old former pro more who has tried it all, talks no bull.
Yes i know the poor bioaviablety, but maybe guys dont take enough. He suggests 12 g.
Well. I know it in hours. I will try 10 grams before my bicepsworkout today.

Your not talking about Dick Piana r ya?!?! Lol - or is 'he' a guy in your neck of the woods

**kelkel** · 08-12-2016, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Whats their one rep bench record?

Ok. I see your logic. He with the best bench is obviously the smartest. Got it. If you ever need brain surgery be sure to search out the doctor with the best bench press. Makes perfect sense.

**Sfla80** · 08-12-2016, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by DCI

I need to up my argingine game. 4g here and getting good pumps

Seems dci that is about the dose I take and get pretty good pumpa. Have yet to try 10g

**almostgone** · 08-13-2016, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

"He says?"

Here's the facts. Read up. Whenever you need to research a supplement there is no better place to go than below. Unbiased and just scientific facts:

Arginine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

Citrulline - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

I really like that site. Seems to be very unbiased and straightforward. Also Kel, there was a discussion going in another thread recently (believe GGR was the OP), and you mentioned using TUDCA/UDCA if you were on anything other than TRT. If you were on a blast that included a few weeks usage of a 17aa (say 20mgs of var ED), do you use TUDCA/UDCA for a few weeks post blast?
Thanks!

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-13-2016, 03:36 AM

well, i used 10 g of l-arginine friday and had almost steroidlike pump for shoulders and steroidlike pump for biceps

**almostgone** · 08-13-2016, 04:13 AM

Notice any digestive issues or any unwanted side effects?

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-13-2016, 06:23 AM

sorry for the avt but its to your friend.

well almostgone, i have an edgy stomach, but i didnt feel any sides what so ever. Perhaps a little extra gas, but that just fluyshed away any kind of bloated feeling.
Tired from work and yet, real good pump. I will try it fresh tomorow also, but then i go from 10 to 12 grams, as Mr Vest suggests:-)
Seriously, the pump in the biceps was like steroidpump.

**kelkel** · 08-13-2016, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by almostgone

I really like that site. Seems to be very unbiased and straightforward. Also Kel, there was a discussion going in another thread recently (believe GGR was the OP), and you mentioned using TUDCA/UDCA if you were on anything other than TRT. If you were on a blast that included a few weeks usage of a 17aa (say 20mgs of var ED), do you use TUDCA/UDCA for a few weeks post blast?
Thanks!

Maybe and maybe not with var as it's one of the least hepatotoxic. It would be a coin toss for me though as my values (alt/ast) are always near the top of the scale or over. Any other oral most definitely.

**almostgone** · 08-13-2016, 09:28 PM

^^^ Thanks, Kel. Always appreciate your input/taking the time to respond!

**Tovarasu** · 08-23-2016, 12:23 PM

The ultimate preworkout that i found that works and gives great pumps while not on gear is :
5g of beta alanine, 5 grams of AAKG, 5 grams of creatine monohydrate, 5 grams of citruline malate and 5 grams of acetyl l-carnitine. Usually is good to preload creatine monohydrate with 20 grams the first 2 weeks then just 5 preworkout and postworkout.
You can find all the powders on myprotein.com, just pay attention they sometimes have 70% discount on this stuff. Good luck !

**Ashop** · 08-23-2016, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

I thought this was very interessting and enough to send some money away from my pocket. So i ordered l-arginine. And i will use only that before my nect workout, but tons of it. Like 10 grams perhaps. And no coffein.
As he says, all preworkouts are filled with lots of "scientific" stuff that dont work and just a little of what works.
Anyone tried his take?...i forsure will

I like this guys clips on You Tube. Intelligent man.

**Sfla80** · 08-23-2016, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

I thought this was very interessting and enough to send some money away from my pocket. So i ordered l-arginine. And i will use only that before my nect workout, but tons of it. Like 10 grams perhaps. And no coffein.
As he says, all preworkouts are filled with lots of "scientific" stuff that dont work and just a little of what works.
Anyone tried his take?...i forsure will

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-HPE63UF0

Anyone watch his video....shock ur arms for growth.

Says stop doing free weights and machines and only do cables for a month or so.

something to try??