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    Insomnia/Trensomnia and melatonin

    Cant sleep for shit. I lay down damn near fall asleep and my eyes pop open, stress floods into my brain and I am screwed for a few hours. I don't like anything about sleeping pills. So I got melatonin. Its supposed to promote better sleep. Has anyone tried melatonin or anything that works that is not a habit forming, prescription, groggy making, mind altering, sleep aid?
    If I can get past that fist time my eyes come open and just stay the fuck out all night, I would be good. Once my eyes open I cannot return to sleep until I am exhausted. It boils down to 3-4 hours of sleep and it sucks.

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    Try Nite Quill

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    Strangely I stopped getting those side effects from Tren I used to have to swap out towels and t shirts all night and have sleepless nights. I used sleep easy for a while it helped some times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    Try Nite Quill
    My girlfriend told me that. I may next time.
    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Strangely I stopped getting those side effects from Tren I used to have to swap out towels and t shirts all night and have sleepless nights. I used sleep easy for a while it helped some times.
    Im not so sure its just tren . My stress has been higher lately and I was having issue before I started this cycle. I will look up "sleep easy" never heard of it. Thanks guys.

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    Older generation sleep medications (all otc + zolpediem and others) inhibit REM, which inhibits memory formation, which inhibits learning (and other things). Two exceptions are Belsomra and Trazadone. Both affect orexin, sleep/wake cycle regulating hormones.
    So far, studies show that Belsomra exclusively affects orexin but its expensive.
    Trazadone affects orexin and others, like specific actions on some parts of serotonin. Trazadone at low doses affects orexin. At higher doses it affects Serotonin. A low dose is 50 mg. A dose for anxiety is around 400mg. As a side benefit, it reduces sexual related anxiety. Take it on an empty stomach 1 hour before bed.
    Also, I've heard about Delta sleep inducing peptide but I don't know anything about it.
    My strategy for sleep medicines is to only take when absolutely needed, stay away from those that affect REM and to rotate the use of medicines so that a tolerance/reliance is not built.
    Good luck

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    Use of the ones which screw with REM is also thought to contribute to dementia.

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    So trazadone is prescription since it works?

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    Sleep aids worry me. I had a wiskey sleeping pill era back in the day and the pills messed with me bad. Even non prescript made me feel like shit. Also, everyone in my family gets dementia if they live long enough... I really dont want dementia. Thanks quester. You are a sharp cat.

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    I didn't like trazadone I felt groggy in the mornings it was prescribed to me at one point.

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    Try 200mg Suntheanine an hour before bed. It won't f*ck up your brain chemistry like most prescription sleeping pills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F4iGuy View Post
    Try 200mg Suntheanine an hour before bed. It won't f*ck up your brain chemistry like most prescription sleeping pills.
    Is it non prescript?

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    4 hours of natural sleep is much healthier than 8 hours of drug induced sleep. Exhaust all you options before resorting to prescription sleeping pills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Is it non prescript?
    Yes. It's a derivative of tea, calms the nerves and alleviates anxiety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F4iGuy View Post
    Yes. It's a derivative of tea, calms the nerves and alleviates anxiety.
    Cool. I am trying to stay all natural on this.

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    Lol just ironic you're on tren but you want to stay all natural for this's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Lol just ironic you're on tren but you want to stay all natural for this's.
    Tren is good for the body dammit! Lol Script sleeping pills and I would not be a good idea. Tis ironic. If I mess my life up it will be with aas and not mind fluck drugs.

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    If the Suntheanine fails you, you could go with some Diphenhydramine HCL or Doxylamine Succinate (Doyxlamine is stronger but will give more of a hangover effect the next day).

    Give the Suntheanine a week. If that fails go to Diphenhydramine HCL. If that fails try Doxylamine Succinate. The only one I'd suggest long term is the Suntheanine though.

    Also try reading before bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F4iGuy View Post
    If the Suntheanine fails you, you could go with some Diphenhydramine HCL or Doxylamine Succinate (Doyxlamine is stronger but will give more of a hangover effect the next day).

    Give the Suntheanine a week. If that fails go to Diphenhydramine HCL. If that fails try Doxylamine Succinate. The only one I'd suggest long term is the Suntheanine though.

    Also try reading before bed.
    Thanks, sounds like you know the struggle well

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    Diphenhydramine and doxylamine both are habit forming and disrupt REM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    Diphenhydramine and doxylamine both are habit forming and disrupt REM.
    I dont think I will try them then. I appreciate it though Quester. My melatonin is helping but not a lot. I slept hard last night.

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    Also make a diff what melatonin u got...1..3..5...10mg??

    Also when I used to have issues falling asleep i use to take valerian root along with the melatonin....worked we

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zodiac82 View Post
    Also make a diff what melatonin u got...1..3..5...10mg??

    Also when I used to have issues falling asleep i use to take valerian root along with the melatonin....worked we
    I have 5mg I take two. I know its helping. Will see about the valerian root. Thanks zodiac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post

    I have 5mg I take two. I know its helping. Will see about the valerian root. Thanks zodiac
    Np...honestly I was takin 10..I took like 2 or 3...now I'm takin 3mg..the ones that dissolve but I take like 7 of them lol

    Warning...valerian root smells horrible lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zodiac82 View Post
    Np...honestly I was takin 10..I took like 2 or 3...now I'm takin 3mg..the ones that dissolve but I take like 7 of them lol

    Warning...valerian root smells horrible lol
    Surely it cant smell worse than vitamin b? I got good sleep again last night. I am suprised anything natural works this well. If It ceases working I will just up the dosage. There are zeo side effects that I can see.

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    Works a treat. 3mg for me and lights out 6mg and hits a harder deeper sleep
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Works a treat. 3mg for me and lights out 6mg and hits a harder deeper sleep
    COOL! My girlfriend turned me on to it and I was skeptical. They are "gummies". "Sure honey two gummy bears will knock me TFO!" , but they have. Damn, I love that girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    COOL! My girlfriend turned me on to it and I was skeptical. They are "gummies". "Sure honey two gummy bears will knock me TFO!" , but they have. Damn, I love that girl.
    Don't understand most of what you said but best of luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Don't understand most of what you said but best of luck
    I was saying, it is good to hear that it worked for you. My girlfriend told me about melatonin and bought me chewable "gummy" melatonin. I was skeptical of them being effective because they looked like gummy bears. I then expressed deep emotion torward her because she is so good to me.

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    That's better. Great product
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post

    Surely it cant smell worse than vitamin b? I got good sleep again last night. I am suprised anything natural works this well. If It ceases working I will just up the dosage. There are zeo side effects that I can see.
    Lol...I would say so

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    Ingredients:

    1 tbsp of coconut oil
    ¼ tsp of raw honey
    1/8 tsp of sea salt
    How it Works?

    All of these ingredients provide a wide range of health benefits, but when combined, their effects are even more enhanced. They work in synergy to relax your mind as well as to prevent cortisol spikes, which is known to be the root cause of your waking up during the night.

    Coconut Oil: It provides an energy boost and a feeling of satiety, which prevents both blood sugar spikes during the night and feeling of hunger early in the morning.

    Raw Honey: Although honey is naturally sweet, it doesn’t raise sugar levels! It supplies the brain with the needed amount of glycogen, which is very important since low glycogen levels lead to an elevated secretion of hormones like adrenaline and cortisol, both of which cause sleep problems.

    Sea Salt: Sea salt energizes the body while lowering stress hormone levels.

    How to Use It?

    Option 1:

    Mix the coconut oil and honey first, and then stir in the sea salt. Take a spoon of the mixture and have a glass of water afterwards.

    Option 2

    Take the raw honey and coconut oil separately, and have a glass of water after. Then, stir in the sea salt in a glass of water and drink it right once dissolved. If you wake up during the night, take the remedy once again and you`ll fall asleep in a matter of minutes.

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    ^^ just found this. Sounds nasty tasting. Might work for someone though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    ^^ just found this. Sounds nasty tasting. Might work for someone though
    Ashgwanda root extract is great for cortisol and also helps ease the mind...

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    Took three melatonin and injected just before bed. Bad Idea. Terrible insomnia. I at least would wake up but immediately fell back asleep. I cant imagine why it kept me awake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    COOL! My girlfriend turned me on to it and I was skeptical. They are "gummies". "Sure honey two gummy bears will knock me TFO!" , but they have. Damn, I love that girl.
    I just got some Melatonin gummies to try myself.

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    Alprazolam. .25mg right before bed. It's got a bad rap because idiots abuse it and most importantly, it's off patent so it's cheap and the DEA doesn't like cheap legal drugs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Cant sleep for shit. I lay down damn near fall asleep and my eyes pop open, stress floods into my brain and I am screwed for a few hours. I don't like anything about sleeping pills. So I got melatonin. Its supposed to promote better sleep. Has anyone tried melatonin or anything that works that is not a habit forming, prescription, groggy making, mind altering, sleep aid?
    If I can get past that fist time my eyes come open and just stay the fuck out all night, I would be good. Once my eyes open I cannot return to sleep until I am exhausted. It boils down to 3-4 hours of sleep and it sucks.
    I got these sides the first few tren cycles I ran.. but the past couple I haven't had interrupted sleep.. I still got sweats but slept like a baby.. maybe talk to ur Dr. About a prescription sleep aid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    My girlfriend told me that. I may next time.


    Im not so sure its just tren. My stress has been higher lately and I was having issue before I started this cycle. I will look up "sleep easy" never heard of it. Thanks guys.
    Bro! Are you serious lol. You never thought of nite quill....the most common slee aid. Lol. I literally,kept waking up every hour or so last night. Fell asleep around 5am .fucking sucks I know..but when I had real bad shin splints from running, I would take Tylenol PM. If I didn't I would wake up mid night with my legs killing me

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    Effective melatonin will be for tren insomnia lol. I gh the need some a tranq

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