Phenylpiracetam

So i just got myself 2grams of phenylpiracetam and just took 100mgs and gonna workout in an hour or so,
so I'll update my experience with it later.
I'll do more experiments with it also, but since I've heard it (racetams) can fuck with libido I'll only use it when I'm not inclined to fuck, which isn't a very common occurrence for me, (and depends greatly on availability of GF, but I'm not gonna see her today at least), so experiments will be spotty.

If anyone has opinions on this stuff then just throw it into this thread.

As i understand it phenylpiracetam is the racetam with the best profile as a performance enhancer in athletics.

I've never tried any of the racetams before,
and my other preworkouts of choice are Ritalin (methylphenidate) which I really don't only use as pre workout, but depending on dose can do anything from putting me to sleep to be annoyingly stimulating when combined with caffeine.
I also have the issue of getting to hot and Ritalin makes this a lot worse, and I also don't like faster pulse on increased blood pressure either.

So if phenylpiracetam can be give many of the same effects as Ritalin without the cardiovascular sides it will be sweet, but I really have my doubts about that.

I also don't like megadoses of caffeine for the same reasons I don't like Ritalin so...

Ok, enough rambling, just thought it good to provide some background to what I'm looking for in a pre workout and what I'll compare this shit to.

Anyone's experience is valued here.
So long. :)

I only have experience with Noopept. If anything it slightly increases libido.

I feel it is of value used preworkout. I have noticed a better pump and increased endurance. Also seems to sharpen vision or focus, and I honestly believe it makes cold weather a bit more tolerable.

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Originally Posted by -Ender-

I only have experience with Noopept. If anything it slightly increases libido.

I feel it is of value used preworkout. I have noticed a better pump and increased endurance. Also seems to sharpen vision or focus, and I honestly believe it makes cold weather a bit more tolerable.

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how you doing buddy?...that's good info brother I have never heard of it...looks like ive got research to do...hope you are well man...

need to follow this.

by a chance you ever tried modafinil / armodafinil ?

Wow, adderral puts me to sleep at 30mg or less and geeks me at 40 to 60

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Originally Posted by -Ender-

I only have experience with Noopept. If anything it slightly increases libido.

I feel it is of value used preworkout. I have noticed a better pump and increased endurance. Also seems to sharpen vision or focus, and I honestly believe it makes cold weather a bit more tolerable.

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Interesting... I have a crap ton of Noopept in my cabinet at home.
I bought like 200grams of it back when it was all the craze...Thought I was going to become Einstein...ehehehheh...never really felt like it had much of an effect at all.
I took it religiously for a couple of months and then gave up on it as I didn't feel any noticeable changes.
Still dumb as a box of rocks!
Maybe I will give it another whirl as a pre workout sup instead of a brain stim.

Not a fan of racetams, tried plain piracetam a while ago and only felt peripheral "cholinergic" effects, digestion, sweating. Maybe a bit of sedation and that's it.

Phenylpiracetem works kinda differently but imo it's not anywhere comparable to ritalin or adderall.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL

need to follow this.

by a chance you ever tried modafinil / armodafinil ?

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No, but want to.
It sounds much more like what I'd want.

experience with 100mg PP;
Felt energized after about 1h.
When at the gym I noticed during warm up that I had a HR at 167 quite quick,
which is unusual for me, but I was wondering whether it was some interference from someone's HR monitor of a group on a treadmill session behind me.
So I did 5more minutes on a step type cardio Mach afterwards to see my HR again and I managed with easy activity to see the HR go down to 130s.
Still a bit high, but this elevated HR wasn't really noticeable and I felt very energetic in the gym, although I am unsure whether this energy is best suited for cardio activity or lifting at the moment.

First followed quite high intensity in the gym for 30mins, then did 20mins slower volume training. Overall a 1h workout.

So here's my impression with PP this far:
-elevated HR (at least initially), but didn't feel uncomfortable
-felt speedy, both more clear headed (increased concentration) and bodily stimulated, but different from an "adrenergic" stimulation.
-after the workout the stimulation quickly subsided into a more calm relaxed state, quite pleasant

Conclusion thus far;
It seems to have potential as an ergogenic aid.
Felt energized, yet in a different way than with classical stims
Only released I had high HR from looking at the monitor when warming up,
these are error prone so will check this again next time.
Definitely no feeling of pounding heart or anything,
and in any case the HR wasn't very high, just higher than what is usual for me during such intensity I followed during warm up.
(This might also be due to the tren ace)

It weared of quite quickly into a calmer and more relaxed state,
and I fell asleep almost quicker than normal.

Will be the interesting to try again.
I can also see it having applications to use as a study aid, etc.
I had also drunk 1/2L of Red Bull which isn't unusual,
so I did have about 120mg caffeine with it.

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Originally Posted by -Ender-

I only have experience with Noopept. If anything it slightly increases libido.

I feel it is of value used preworkout. I have noticed a better pump and increased endurance. Also seems to sharpen vision or focus, and I honestly believe it makes cold weather a bit more tolerable.

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Yeah, i just read that Noopept could increase libido,
racetams decrease it.
Did it when I used it?
Very hard to tell, but when energized it never looked at any women in the gym or so, but then again, it's not always I do that if focused on lifting.

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Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

how you doing buddy?...that's good info brother I have never heard of it...looks like ive got research to do...hope you are well man...

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I am doing excellent! Hope you are as well. We need to catch up.

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Originally Posted by Sicko

Interesting... I have a crap ton of Noopept in my cabinet at home.
I bought like 200grams of it back when it was all the craze...Thought I was going to become Einstein...ehehehheh...never really felt like it had much of an effect at all.
I took it religiously for a couple of months and then gave up on it as I didn't feel any noticeable changes.
Still dumb as a box of rocks!
Maybe I will give it another whirl as a pre workout sup instead of a brain stim.

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I've been using it off and on since the craze, I think that was around 2-3 years ago. There was a pretty good size thread going on here around that time. A couple of members were really into racetams.

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Originally Posted by DocToxin8

Yeah, i just read that Noopept could increase libido,
racetams decrease it.
Did it when I used it?
Very hard to tell, but when energized it never looked at any women in the gym or so, but then again, it's not always I do that if focused on lifting.

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Always best to focus on the task at hand while training. Of course...there are no women present in my dungeon, if they happen upon that location for some reason...they quickly realize their mistake and exit. lol

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Originally Posted by BRUTAL

need to follow this.

by a chance you ever tried modafinil / armodafinil ?

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I use Modafinil when traveling. Super powerful stuff. No way to go to sleep in any way shape or form. Never tried it as a pre-workout but since I like to sleep at night I doubt I will.

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Originally Posted by tarmyg

I use Modafinil when traveling. Super powerful stuff. No way to go to sleep in any way shape or form. Never tried it as a pre-workout but since I like to sleep at night I doubt I will.

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More powerful than Ritalin?
I've heard it's similar but without the cardiovascular sides.
If I could stop sleeping as well I'd be sold. Hehe.

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Originally Posted by DocToxin8

More powerful than Ritalin?
I've heard it's similar but without the cardiovascular sides.
If I could stop sleeping as well I'd be sold. Hehe.

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Never tried Ritalin or Adderall so could not say.

I have not had experience with Modafinil by itself, just Armodafinil. If taken full 150mg tablet, I have to prepare for it as I stay up real active for 15+ hours straight, and if I needed to be this all real wired and focused every day for 5 days straight on day #6 #7 I would have some hangover-like symptoms, not the best feeling of self after that. But get this - if I took half the pill which is ~75mg of armodafinil with some form of long-acting caffeine ~100mg worth caffeine, it would pull me over the day almost in the exact same way as if it was full pill, but - without any sides, it is easier to fall asleep sooner than 15h later and I could run this half the pill dose indefinitely, tried two weeks straight, zero sides on withdrawal after such long administration.

First times tried full pill too early during the day, went to bed like 3AM and could not fall asleep, brain knows its the time but great part of it is still very excited and active skipping trough all kind of thoughts and would take me good few hours to wind down feeling my heartbeat elevated a tad bit ... not the case with half the pill however. Got to try to see how it works. My choice of this over generic Modafinil was the strength and purity of the compound, armodafinil was a clear win for me.

Something to think about.

I've used modafinil a few times not tried it pre workout though my experience was somewhat positive. I had the desire to be active, felt mildly stimulated (not shaky though). The biggest issue was appetite suppression I just had no desire to eat anything which lasted about 4 hours and then I found myself snacking. Didn't manage to check BP and tolerance builds up pretty quick so I'd take it EOD and have weekends off. But it's hard to get to sleep (not surprising really as it can be prescribed for day timee sleeping disorders).

This to update this;
Have taken phenylpiracetam on two more occasions now.
One low 54mg dose; with some caffeine as usual, this was a bit too mild.
Hardly noticed the phenylpiracetam at all, was just something in addition to the caffeine; and I felt pretty good, but a little "more" would be better.

Today; 85mg without caffeine
Hardly noticed a thing.
Really strange actually. I'd say it was zero stimulation almost, except when talking some hours later I realized. I realize in retrospect of that talk i was stimulated yes.
Oh fuck... well I wasn't that bad, very coherent, would have been good for a discussion, but just not for casual talking.

I'll update this again when I got some more experiments done.

https://examine.com/supplements/phenylpiracetam/

Thanks for the thread Doc. I cannot handle the upper side of these type of suppliments but interesting to hear RL experiences.