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    Question Bloating on 1AD/4AD Stack?

    I've seen a number of posts in regards to how a 1AD/4AD stack shouldn't induce water retension. Well, I've been on 600 mg. of 1 AD and 750 mg of 4 AD for one week today, and I'm a water balloon as of this AM.

    I'm pretty sure it's the prohormones because the only change in my diet was more clean food (essentially what I was eating on my cutting diet--just more of it to the tune of 700 'extra' cals/day).

    Has anyone experienced this on a similar dosage?

    Other than that, though, no other sides in 7 days of usage.

    On the plus side, I am MUCH more vascular--the veins are literally POPPING out of my chest, forearms, quads and calves (not just more intensely, but veins I couldn't see even at 8-10% bf).

    Too soon to tell, though, whether I've gained anything but H20 weight.
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    That's funny. Normally water retension means less vains. The water retension is a results of the 4-ad and increase calorie consumption. Do not worry. This provides a more anabolic condition for muscle building. It will quickly subside post cycle. If you are worried you could supplement with Dandelion Root(natural diruretic) first thing in the morning. Also, do 1-2 days of HIIT cardio and watch sodium intake.

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    Yeah, it's bizarre: puffy as hell, but veins everywhere.

    Oh well, just so long as it goes away--I feel like I'm going to float away.

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    Went from 178lbs to 199lbs in two weeks i mean i looked badass chest out and everything.

    I definatly thought it was bloating till most the water resided from my body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobite
    Went from 178lbs to 199lbs in two weeks i mean i looked badass chest out and everything.

    I definatly thought it was bloating till most the water resided from my body.
    You gained 20lbs of pure muscle in two weeks off a 1-ad 4-ad cycle??

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    Not sure how i can explain that one most my body swole up, i felt like i was pelting around some extra meat not sure wheather is should be called muscle or not. It didnt feel like fake weight i added on.

    I can describe my workout a bit as my bones take alot more punisment than most peopels my size but putting on size my body is just asleep or something? Hey though my skin felt a little damp kinda i started useing lotion on my arms shoulds all teh time not after breaking out in bmps on my shoulds. On ething i did notice on day two though is my midsection looked a lot tighter than any previuos atemps to get it looking good.




    I just changed my routine out when i started on those four weeks creatine/1-ad.
    3 leg workouts to see which i could get better stress out of on differant days, and i do a full arm workout at once.
    I also work out on a Bowflex i only have the flat out machine like i was rowing for leg extensions. I do have the over head tower though so i can do chin ups and a few other exercises. resistance im not positive how on the money they are but i think most part is as good as gym equipment or better. (just no cash for the gym)
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    5'10 -less than 13% Bf i dont know i can also see a six pack just barely trying to jump out.
    185lbs
    age 32
    I dont look like im on roids but i have some definition kinda like jet li only with a blackmans chest. 35inchs upper and 39inches lower chest, small deltas but i have them when i flex my back has some nice size to it.

    *Sets
    20x4 , 360lbs thigh to calf press in about 15 minutes
    or
    10x4 per leg 360lbs one leg raises
    last one which ever i can do at the time.
    20x6 or(30/40x) 380lb thigh press (like rowing)
    Arms
    tricepts 100lbsx 12x4
    Bicepts anywhere from 35lbs to 50lbs per arm
    Lateral bench 200lbs/10x2 to 220lbs/240lbs/3x5

    Also work my back lower and upper with 180lb weights 40 each, plus i also do pullouts then reverse rev anywhere from 100lbs to 200lbs, and 160lbs not revesed. Sorry for not having the right names for the last two, but from a seat its like pulling a wagon backwards frontwise useing only the arms.

    I dont have the worst diet at all but its not the best eighter and my workout is kinda nappy but my body can handle the punishment as of yet.


    I did find taht if i jog for about fifteen minutes then screw around with loose weights like at work i can very easily bruise a muscle on my back. So im not superman just have to remeber to keep it all controlled.


    ps i dont think ill be able to reply to this after today im cutting cable for the 35 bucks for a few months. Well see if they figure out how to cut it off today the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobite
    I dont look like im on roids but i have some definition kinda like jet li only with a blackmans chest. 35inchs upper and 39inches lower chest, small deltas but i have them when i flex my back has some nice size to it.

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    Well im still here gunna get more free internet till mid next month, seems they rescheduled of the pulling the plug on me.

    Feel like i leave something out all the time.
    2 scoups Glutmine 30mins before weights
    1 Flaxseed pill at workout time
    1 scoup creatine about on hour 3 before bed
    Sometime i add 1x more creatine or glutmine during the workout.

    6 scoops protein
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    4-AD does convert to estrogen (unlike 1-AD) and estrogen can cause water retention. I noticed bloating while I was using 4-AD, but I was using 1200mg/ed. If it is the 4-AD causing the bloating it won't go away until you stop using it. I dropped a few pounds of water weight after I stopped. I wouldn't be worried, it comes with the territory.

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    4-AD does convert to estrogen (unlike 1-AD) and estrogen can cause water retention. I noticed bloating while I was using 4-AD, but I was using 1200mg/ed. If it is the 4-AD causing the bloating it won't go away until you stop using it. I dropped a few pounds of water weight after I stopped. I wouldn't be worried, it comes with the territory.

    You should state more clearly that 4-ad does not aromatize, however, it's target hormone(4-testosterone ) does.

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    when I did my cycle I didnt experience little or any water retension just up the water intake and you wil be fine

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