10-13-2003, 07:09 AM #1
Thought you guys might find this interesting...
I found this at allsportsnutrition.com when I was checking out the ph's they had. This sounds reallly good, but I was wondering if 1-AD and 4-AD stacked would be better?
MHP's association with the Longevity Institute International (LII) gives us access to all the latest research in natural hormonal manipulation. MHP's staff of Hormonal Replacement Specialists have developed the first prohormone stack designed to address and regulate all the hormonal pathways and critical growth factors. Testosterone , Nor-Testosterone, Growth Hormone , IGF-1, Leutinizing Hormone, Estrogen and Thyroid hormones (T3 & T4). The Elite-HRP Kit is a 6-week prohormone program, which includes the use of three revolutionary prohormone products: Endo-Stak™, Nor-Stak™ and Secretagogue-One™. When taken as instructed these three formulas work synergistically to optimize hormonal levels, which influence muscle growth and the burning of adipose tissue (body fat). Through advanced hormonal manipulation using precise dosages of prohormones and hormonal support nutrients the ideal anabolic and hormonal environment is achieved. This is what sets MHP's Elite-Hormonal Replacement Program apart from all other prohormone programs. In order to achieve maximum gains in muscle mass you must manipulate all hormonal pathways and maintain hormonal balance. Simply evaluating one hormone does not cut it! Lets look at how Endo-Stak™, Nor-Stak™ and Secretagogue-One™ work synergistically to achieve optimum hormonal manipulation.
1st Product: Endo-Stak™
Endo-Stak™ combines Androstenediol and Androstenedione for maximum elevations in testosterone levels . These two powerful testosterone precursors utilize different enzymes for the conversion to testosterone. Combining these 2 prohormones ensures maximum conversion to testosterone. Endo-Stak™ also contains a full 500mg therapeutic dose of Tribulus Terrestris to prevent negative feedback inhibition and the shut down of the pituitary-gonadal testosterone axis. Studies have shown that Tribulus to be effective in raising Leutinizing Hormone levels. This increase in Leutinizing Hormone signals your testes to produce more testosterone. Increasing your own production of testosterone combined with the high conversion of Androstenediol and Androstenedione could potentially cause huge increases in testosterone levels.
To prevent the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), MHP has wisely included Saw Palmento to their Endo-Stak™ formula. By blocking DHT, the Saw Palmento inhibits the aromatization of testosterone to Estrogen and also helps protect healthy prostate functions.
Another concern the scientists at MHP have addressed is the down regulation of the thyroid gland. Preventing down regulation of the thyroid gland is often overlooked, but is a critical component of hormonal replacement therapy. Elevations in Testosterone and Growth Hormone can sometimes cause a decrease in circulating thyroid hormones (T3 & T4). By using gugglesterones and seaweed concentrates, Endo-Stak™ optimizes thyroid activity. Optimal thyroid activity increases your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR). Elevating your BMR increases caloric expenditure and promotes the reduction of body fat.
2nd Product: Nor-Stak™
The second product in the Elite-HRP Kit is Nor-Stak™. Nor-Stak™ combines powerful anabolic prohormones Nor-Androstenediol and Nor-Androstenedione. These 2 promohormes are metabolized in the liver to nandralone decanoate (Deca ), via an enzymatic pathway. By utilizing two different enzymes (3-beta-hydroxysteroid dyhorogenase and 17-beta-hydroxysteroid hydrogenase) an extremely high conversion to Nortestosterone is achieved. The high anabolic activity of Nor-Stak™ will optimize your ability to pack on lean muscle.
3rd Product: Secretagogue-One™
The final component of this incredible program is the evolution of Growth Hormone (GH). Growth Hormone is the 'Master Hormone.' MHP's flagship product, Secretagogue-One™ has revolutionized oral Growth Hormone Administration. Developed by leading specialists in Hormonal Replacement Therapy, Secretagogue-One™ utilizes a pharmaceutical delivery system to transport active amino acids and peptides to your anterior pituitary/hypothalamus axis to elicit the release of Growth Hormone. Secretagogue-One™ also elevates GH via Somatostation suppression. By suppressing somatostation, circulating levels of Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone increase and signal the pituitary gland to release more Growth Hormone. Growth Hormone circulates through the liver where it converts to IGF-1 (insulin -like growth factor-One). Clinically IGF-1 has been shown to provide many benefits of interest to a bodybuilder.
• Lower body fat
• Increase in muscle
• Improved skin elasticity
• Increased vascularity
• Improved recovery
As you can see MHP has left no stone unturned. By influencing Testosterone, Leutinizing Hormone, Thyroid Hormone (T3 & T4), Nor-Testosterone, Growth Hormone, IGF-1 and Estrogen the Elite-HRP Kit creates the optimum hormonal environment for the promotion of muscle and loss of body fat. No other program is a effective in optimizing hormonal production and regulation as MHP's Elite-HRP. This program is about as close as you can get to stacking the real stuff. And because your hormones naturally you don't have to worry about dangerous side effects.
Hormonal manipulation is serious stuff! Prohormones definitely influence hormonal levels, but the key is to achieve optimum hormonal balance. So, stop playing hormone roulette and get the MHP 6-Week Elite-HRP Kit.
10-13-2003, 09:23 AM #2
One of the first things I learned in college when I was learning the basics in research is that you have to always take into account where any information is coming from. If the person has a vested interest in the outcome of any research or a particular product, then you can't take their findings or their opinion into account. This sounds like one of those situations.
First off, the article kind of jumps around between calling the product a hormone replacement and an hormonal manipulant. The products named are all manipulants, not HRP's.
Secondly, they claim to have been able to use precise dosages, which is impossible because every person has their own individual needs. That's why people try one product and have different results.
It does sound like this stack would work for most people, but I don't think it's quite as good as they're trying to make is sound.
1-ad and 4-ad really do the same thing, they both convert into 1-testosterone . The only real difference is that 4ad has some stuff added to it to make it absorb a little better (I can get into more detail if you like). 5-ad does the same thing, but some believe that even if some of the 5-ad isn't converted into 1-test, it will still promote muscle growth.
From what I've been reading, it seems that it would be good to take either, 1-ad, 4-ad, 5-ad, or a 1-test product, but pretty much a waste to combine any of them. By combining more than one, you are just putting more in your system to increase your chances of absorbtion, but you can really do the same thing by simply increasing the dosage of just one of the products. For example, take 600 mg's of 1-test is going to be the same as taking 300 mg's of 1-ad and 300 mg's of 4-ad. You can combine that with the Secretagogue-One™, because the Secretagogue gets your body to secrete more growth hormone . You may even want to take some ZMA at night on top of the Secretagogue. If you take 1-test, you should also take 6-oxo, because 1-test is really a synthetic hormone, and not getting your body to increase it's own test output. The 6-oxo gets your body to secrete it's own testosterone, so you benefit in two ways, you have more test in your body (natural and synthetic) and you decrese, if not eliminate your chances of gyno, because your body's test production isn't being shut down. For that reason, I would also suggest extending the 6-oxo for at least two weeks after the prohormone cycle. You can just add some GF-1 and some MAG-10 if you have the money and you think you're going to have a hard time putting on muscle.
I guess another thing to point out is about the DHT. Products like Maxteron have DHT, but it's not the type of DHT that causes baldness. Only natural DHT causes baldness. Certain steroids cause your body to produce more natural DHT and that's why there can be hair loss. You don't have to worry about synthetic DHT.
I should add that I haven't used any prohormones personally, my info is based on research that I've read (from independent researchers not funded by any prohormone companies). This is one of those subjects that I don't think personal experience really counts all that much anyway, because like I said before, people are different and have different needs. Ask people about one product and you will get people that swear by it and you will have people say it's a complete waste of time and money. There's an issue of dosage (one person may only need 200 mg per day and another person may need 1200 mg per day to get the same results). And since most of these things are actually suppliments, one person may already have enough in thier body, so the suppliment wont do anything, and another person may be deficient and the suppliment will work wonders for them. For example, creatine is acknowledged as being very good and almost some kind of wonder suppliment, but it doesn't do anything for me and never has. I've changed the dossage, the frequency, etc. and nothing. My body has enough creatine in it from the kinds of foods that I tend to eat that supplimenting it is useless (if your body has an excessive amount of creatinine, it will convert it into creatine as long as your organs are working properly). You really have to try things out yourself and take other people's experiences into consideration, but not think that you're going to experience the exact same effect.
Hope that helps you out.
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