Newbie Asking for help

**kaotik1** · 01-29-2004, 10:44 AM

Hey whats up everyone... i just registered and was wondering if anyone could help me?? Ok i have been lifting hard for about 2 years now 4-5 days a week.. and seem to be pretty much maxed out..I have been taking Creatine for about a year now.. results have not been that great with that either.. i am currently taking 10mg of creatine before and after a work out and am also taking Andro-100 poppers which also seem to be crap.. would anyone else recomend any other legal stuff?? I was seriously thinking of going with the illegal test and deca .. but i wanted to see what other things there are out there that would not leave me with messed up side effects liek real steriods .. also I am 20 years old and wiegh 180lbs

Swellin · 01-29-2004, 11:08 AM

What is your protein intake?

**Elliot** · 01-29-2004, 02:12 PM

yeah it can be a number of things.. but most common is the lack of proper nutrition..

**repeatoffender** · 01-29-2004, 03:03 PM

I heard Andro Poppers were crap too.. and I've heard that with Creatine it's best to go 3 months on then 1 off and repeat it like that. If you feel you are maxed out, maybe go really heavy for fewer reps, like 4 sets of 5 reps with very heavy weights to get the muscles to break down again. Sounds to me like you may be taking too much creatine which can lead to health problems. Too much of it really doesn't benefit you in any way.

**DARKSEID** · 01-29-2004, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by kaotik1

Hey whats up everyone... i just registered and was wondering if anyone could help me?? Ok i have been lifting hard for about 2 years now 4-5 days a week.. and seem to be pretty much maxed out..I have been taking Creatine for about a year now.. results have not been that great with that either.. i am currently taking 10mg of creatine before and after a work out and am also taking Andro-100 poppers which also seem to be crap.. would anyone else recomend any other legal stuff?? I was seriously thinking of going with the illegal test and deca.. but i wanted to see what other things there are out there that would not leave me with messed up side effects liek real steriods.. also I am 20 years old and wiegh 180lbs

as others said check your diet, secondly andro poppers do not work, and I wouldn't ever expect too much from creatine.

**znak** · 01-30-2004, 05:12 AM

What is your diet like?

What is your work out like?

I am 48 and still growing at about 1 pound a month. Been lifting seriously for three years. Hit some plateaus in strength, but just continue growing.

Looks like either your diet is not right or you are not working out right or both.

Your body will grow if you push it hard and feed it right. Test and deca will help, but will only give real gains if your workout and diet are good.

(By the way, 20 mg of creatine is a lot.)

**Ellis** · 01-30-2004, 01:04 PM

Yea I would recommend a max 10 mg of creatine a the most.
Have tried completely changing your workout routine. Such as doing
different variations and different #'s of sets and reps to give your
muscles and unfamiliar shock that can cause new growth out of a stale period.Also make sure you are getting tons of protein.

**kaotik1** · 02-01-2004, 11:40 AM

i meant i was taking 5mg before and after.. As for my diet.. its pretty good considering im still young i stay away from alot of fast food eat lots of tuna and veggies drink about a gallon and a half of water a day protien intake is mostly from foods i eat i stopped taking protien shakes since i really hated the taste of them.. but it seems thats the only thing that is really gonna make me grow.. as for lifting i am doing workouts pretty good i think heres my schedule
mon-shoulders,back
tues-biceps,triceps
weds-chest
thurs-shoulders-biceps-triceps
sat-usually what ever i feel like usually the odd ball exersises chin ups,squats

**hoss827** · 02-01-2004, 03:49 PM

M1t is good from what i hear, stack it with 4-AD. PCT 6-oxo. Nutrition is important too bro. At your weight you should be getting in 270-360 grams a day.

LM1332 · 02-01-2004, 03:53 PM

M1T and T-Bomb is overkill, because both are 1-Testosterone .

M1T and Dyma-Bol 300 may be the best stack, even though some of the Dyma-Bol is converted to 1-Testosterone.

M1T and 4AD, pretty much a waist. 4AD converts into 1-Testosterone in the body anyway.

--DBarcel--

**RP7** · 02-01-2004, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by kaotik1

sat-usually what ever i feel like usually the odd ball exersises chin ups,squats

Squats are your odd-ball exercise? I would recommend making that a FULL leg day.

**kaotik1** · 02-02-2004, 10:12 AM

I was thinking of doing a cycle of M1T i found it over at bodybuliding.com its from legalstuff ive heard some good and bad stuff about it.. i heard it gives u gains of 10lbs of muscle but the side affects include loss of appitite and makes u sleepy as hell.. and as for 4ad that stuff kills your liver to much and as for TBomb i have heard nothing but negative feedback about it.. but whats the best form or M1T? Liquid or pills??

**RUDY-14** · 02-02-2004, 06:00 PM

maybe try a different split on your workouts...these are the splits im a big fan of:
Monday: Chest/Tris
Tuesday: Back/Bis
Wednesday: Cardio
Thursday: Shoulders
Friday: LEgs
Satday: Cardio
Sunday Cardio

or evern this if you want to only do one muscle group a day...

Chest
Back
Shoulders
LEgs
Arms

split it up how you want with lots of cardio and don't forget the rest......go heavy on your sets with lower reps and get tons of protein buddy....good luck and pump hard

**RUDY-14** · 02-02-2004, 06:05 PM

also, i hit traps on my back day as well as my shoulder day which has helped me put on great gains.

**kaotik1** · 02-03-2004, 10:53 PM

hey guys i just purchased the M1T from legal stuff and some 4AD as for my my PCT i picked up some 6oxo i also picked up some Zinc,Magnesum, and Bcomplex am i missing anything else?

**Consistency** · 02-03-2004, 11:45 PM

i would of stuck with the basics for a bit longer creatine, glutamine, protein, and a multi vitamin... but it looks like you already purchased yer pro hormone stuff. good luck and eat eat eat

**kaotik1** · 02-03-2004, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

i would of stuck with the basics for a bit longer creatine, glutamine, protein, and a multi vitamin... but it looks like you already purchased yer pro hormone stuff. good luck and eat eat eat

creatine is crap.. why u think i turned to PH's i was on and off that **** for a bout a year and tried just about every brand..

**RP7** · 02-04-2004, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by kaotik1

creatine is crap.. why u think i turned to PH's i was on and off that **** for a bout a year and tried just about every brand..

People are just offering their help... creatine doesn't wokr for everybody.

**fritz2435** · 02-04-2004, 03:44 PM

creatine worked for me... i took cell tech, weighing 155 and over a month gained over 10 pounds, and it didn't just seem like water weight. (which it probably was) Also, it helped me past my plateau of 250 on my bench. After about 3 weeks of taking it, my max was 280, where it has plateaued again for the past 8 months. Creatine worked pretty good for me, only to a certain extent. Once your body reaches a certain point and strength level, creatine can no longer move you past that point.

-FTZ