Question About M1-t

**drockbli** · 02-25-2004, 09:51 PM

Looking for information about taking creatine with m1-t. Im taking cell-tech creatine and wondering if taking m1-t combined with that will have any negative side effects.

**THA GONZ** · 02-25-2004, 10:09 PM

I'm taking creatine and M1T right now bro. there shouldn't be any negative sides from the combo.

**drockbli** · 02-25-2004, 10:19 PM

Alright. Thanks. I appreciate it.

LM1332 · 02-25-2004, 10:28 PM

no problem at all just make sure to take your oxo after wards

**K-pac** · 02-26-2004, 03:29 PM

dude,
take regular creatine, it doesn't have all that sugar. Too much insulin -spiking sugar can make you fat as hell as well as hold **** tons of H2O

**daman1** · 02-26-2004, 03:34 PM

Just take creatine. Those p.h.'s are worthless. I wish people would read the the previous threads and use the search button. You will find all the info you need rather than asking the same questions over and over and over...

**Valmont** · 02-26-2004, 03:40 PM

I have seen them work for peeps, but manily for a strenghth boost and stacked with ephedrine.

Also, 6-oxo has been proven to lower estrogen, so I agree definetly post cycle.

Good luck, man.

**daman1** · 02-26-2004, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Valmont

I have seen them work for peeps, but manily for a strenghth boost and stacked with ephedrine.

Also, 6-oxo has been proven to lower estrogen, so I agree definetly post cycle.

Good luck, man.

well those "peeps" you saw most likely had their diets in check and trained correctly. As for 6-oxo, I just stick with nolva, clomid, or bromo...

**IronAdam** · 02-26-2004, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by daman1

Just take creatine. Those p.h.'s are worthless. I wish people would read the the previous threads and use the search button. You will find all the info you need rather than asking the same questions over and over and over...

M1T isn't worthless. In fact it's the best 10 bucks I've ever spent. Cell-tech is useless, I spent so much money on muscletech crap before I knew better and I don't think anyone should be suckered into those BS ads.

My advice to the topic starter is take the ridiculous amount of money your spending on cell-tech and use it on protein and food. Once you start M1T your not gunna want to drink that swill anymore.

Goodluck.

LM1332 · 02-26-2004, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by daman1

Just take creatine. Those p.h.'s are worthless. I wish people would read the the previous threads and use the search button. You will find all the info you need rather than asking the same questions over and over and over...

gained 9 pounds in one week with m1t no stacking had to stop prematurily though got **** face sick but what if i was stacking it with 4ad id blow up like mad

**daman1** · 02-26-2004, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by IronAdam

M1T isn't worthless. In fact it's the best 10 bucks I've ever spent. Cell-tech is useless, I spent so much money on muscletech crap before I knew better and I don't think anyone should be suckered into those BS ads.

My advice to the topic starter is take the ridiculous amount of money your spending on cell-tech and use it on protein and food. Once you start M1T your not gunna want to drink that swill anymore.

Goodluck.

Like I've said, prove to me that the success rate is over 5% and I'll shut up for GOOD....

**IronAdam** · 02-26-2004, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by daman1

Like I've said, prove to me that the success rate is over 5% and I'll shut up for GOOD....

I'm not trying to prove anything. it worked for me, and I know it. For you to call M1T worthless is ridiculous though. Spring for the 10 bucks and prove it to yourself.

Peace

**Valmont** · 02-27-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by IronAdam

I'm not trying to prove anything. it worked for me, and I know it. For you to call M1T worthless is ridiculous though. Spring for the 10 bucks and prove it to yourself.

Peace

Great advice bro. Did you get those from 1fast?
Any suggestions?

**daman1** · 02-27-2004, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by IronAdam

I'm not trying to prove anything. it worked for me, and I know it. For you to call M1T worthless is ridiculous though. Spring for the 10 bucks and prove it to yourself.

Peace

It's not ridiculous when the success rate of the p.h. is sub 10%. Like I said, if it works for you then do it. But for the large majority IT DOESNT. I think I'll just save my $10 and buy some food.

**OClifter** · 02-27-2004, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by daman1

It's not ridiculous when the success rate of the p.h. is sub 10%. Like I said, if it works for you then do it. But for the large majority IT DOESNT. I think I'll just save my $10 and buy some food.

What is amusing about your quote is there is an actual poll done on this board. In fact, I came here searching for references to 'm1t' and the poll came right up. As did this inaccurate and entirely biased (for whatever reason) post of yours.

Poll Is M1T Worth the Price?
http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...lts&pollid=872

88.24% said "Yes"

That is not a scientific poll. It is pseudo-scientific. But, your opinion stated above is not only not reasonable it flies in the face of all observable evidence.

Why?

And, I don't understand why you are even reading a thread about m1t if you don't even use it, never have, and so on. What is the reasoning there? Why not go read threads that interest you or that you have some experience with?

LM1332 · 02-27-2004, 09:21 PM

thats intence

LM1332 · 02-27-2004, 09:28 PM

its funny to me that people who do AS and complained and have had to defend the BS rumors that people who have no Idea what they are talking about start would do the same thing to another product.
Bottom line is you'll never know until you try it. There has been no Scientific research on the long term affects of PH's or the sides and judging from the board consensus most people don't expirience side effects. Not saying no one will, but I think it is well over played. I am on it right now doing 20mg/day going on my second week and have expeirienced absolutely NO SIDES!
I have put on alittle weight about 8lbs and am alot more solid. I also have gone up about 10lbs on most exercises.
I have done 3 cycles of the real gear also and I can say this is no where close to the real stuff and I don't expect it to,but for some one who doesn't want to do the real stuff I think it is well worth the $40.
The reason why I tryed M1T is because of all the conflicting results and rumors, I wanted to find out for my self what its all about not listen to a bunch of people who like it and a bunch who don't (some of them never even having used it) fight over wether its good or not and what the sides are.
This is not a flame to any one, just stating my opinion.

Peace
Gonz

**Sir Foxx** · 02-27-2004, 09:37 PM

1-Test is a steroid . M-1-T is a great steroid. Pat Arnold states that mg for mg, M-1-T is more potent than Tren , Anadrol , and Dianabol , but also more toxic. You need to check the Vida tables before you start putting down the new generation of legal(at least for a while) hormonal supps.

**daman1** · 02-28-2004, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by OClifter

What is amusing about your quote is there is an actual poll done on this board. In fact, I came here searching for references to 'm1t' and the poll came right up. As did this inaccurate and entirely biased (for whatever reason) post of yours.

Poll Is M1T Worth the Price?
http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...lts&pollid=872

88.24% said "Yes"

That is not a scientific poll. It is pseudo-scientific. But, your opinion stated above is not only not reasonable it flies in the face of all observable evidence.

Why?

And, I don't understand why you are even reading a thread about m1t if you don't even use it, never have, and so on. What is the reasoning there? Why not go read threads that interest you or that you have some experience with?

You have shown me nothing. And if you have done a search on my past posts on it, I have had 5 of my friends try it with NO success and several sides. Show me evidence of an overall average of success of 10% nationally and I will shut up completely. Regards...

d

**Valmont** · 02-28-2004, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by daman1

You have shown me nothing. And if you have done a search on my past posts on it, I have had 5 of my friends try it with NO success and several sides. Show me evidence of an overall average of success of 10% nationally and I will shut up completely. Regards...

d

First of all, you seem to want to start a debate with everyone on here. First, Hemp oil and now prohormones.

Secondly, if you disagree then just say you disagree if you don't have sufficient evidence to support your over generalized claims.

Stating that you have 5 friends with "sides" in absolutely no way presents a empirical presentation with your overall "prohormones are worthless'' assertion.

Just plain illogical. Just read what sirfox wrote.

The really amusing thing is I don't think m1 is undertheclassification of prohormones. but rather prosteriods.

Perhaps, that is why he is so confused.

**RP7** · 02-28-2004, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by LM1332

I have done 3 cycles of the real gear also and I can say this is no where close to the real stuff and I don't expect it to,

You've done 3 cycles? **** man I though you were 'natural' (only PHs).

LM1332 · 02-28-2004, 02:34 PM

hehe no sorry to confuse ya RP7 that was a copy paste by Gonz

**daman1** · 02-28-2004, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Valmont

First of all, you seem to want to start a debate with everyone on here. First, Hemp oil and now prohormones.

Secondly, if you disagree then just say you disagree if you don't have sufficient evidence to support your over generalized claims.

Stating that you have 5 friends with "sides" in absolutely no way presents a empirical presentation with your overall "prohormones are worthless'' assertion.

Just plain illogical. Just read what sirfox wrote.

The really amusing thing is I don't think m1 is undertheclassification of prohormones. but rather prosteriods.

Perhaps, that is why he is so confused.

I dont want to argue with people on here. I have my opinions, they have theirs, bottom line. And I do have have proof if you've cared to read my previous posts. I have friends who HAVE used them with NO results. It's imperative you get with the picture here son!

**RealMenBench** · 02-28-2004, 07:50 PM

and it's imperative that you get with the picture as well ... calling them worthless is assanine ...

I know MORE than five people that have been on M1T for a while now and have had very significant results .... significant enough for me to purchase and try for myself ...

you offer no more than the people you are taking oppostition too ....

If you're going to take a stance, SHOW your study that says 95% of a national subject group had worthless M1T ...

I've got a control group at my college that would put the success rate at about 80% of those that had no AS or PH usage prior ....

basically do what you're telling others to do ... put your money where your mouth is, or go buy that ten bucks worth of food so you'll have something to chew on instead of spewing the same **** in a topic that you feel is "worthless" anyway ...

**daman1** · 02-28-2004, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by RealMenBench

basically do what you're telling others to do ... put your money where your mouth is, or go buy that ten bucks worth of food so you'll have something to chew on instead of spewing the same **** in a topic that you feel is "worthless" anyway ...

are you talking??

**RealMenBench** · 02-29-2004, 07:19 PM

yes, and I will continue to do so

**daman1** · 03-01-2004, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by RealMenBench

yes, and I will continue to do so

You keep talking and using your pro-hormones and weak gear. I'll be busy getting my diet together and growing like a fiend W/O p.h.'s 5 times more

**K-pac** · 03-01-2004, 03:53 PM

daman1
seems to me that if you hate ph's so much then maybe you ought to talk your **** in the juice forum and let people here use this forum to be more constructive and learn from each others mistakes. If aas has helped you so much then congradulations. Can I please suck your dick. No one here cares. I'm not tryin to flame I'm just sick of hearin such pointless, worthless criticism when it is unwarrented. The fact remains that what works for one may or may not work for another. That is why we all get toghether here to talk, so we can figure out how to reach our own individual goals. Talkin **** doesn't help
K-pac

**RP7** · 03-01-2004, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by K-pac

daman1
seems to me that if you hate ph's so much then maybe you ought to talk your **** in the juice forum and let people here use this forum to be more constructive and learn from each others mistakes. If aas has helped you so much then congradulations. Can I please suck your dick. No one here cares. I'm not tryin to flame I'm just sick of hearin such pointless, worthless criticism when it is unwarrented. The fact remains that what works for one may or may not work for another. That is why we all get toghether here to talk, so we can figure out how to reach our own individual goals. Talkin **** doesn't help
K-pac

Thank you.

**baller45** · 03-01-2004, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by K-pac

dude,
take regular creatine, it doesn't have all that sugar. Too much insulin-spiking sugar can make you fat as hell as well as hold **** tons of H2O

Keep using your cell-tech. I just mix dextrose with creatine(cheaper)

C'mon K-pac, what kind of carbs are you taking in after a work-out?

Oral M1T is great(to me). Everyone has an opinion.

**K-pac** · 03-02-2004, 11:28 AM

baller45,
I'll agree with you on the fact that it is the exact same thing as cell tech when you add dextrose to creatine. However, I personally don't think you need as much dextrose as one serving of cell tech offers. 75 grams? That's a lot. I would take creatine with like 30 -50 grams of dex. along with eating a few more complex carbs like light pasta or even drinking a glass of kool-aid after my post-workout protein shake. But sure I agree that you do need some sort of simple carbs after a workout. It is pretty important if you want to get bigger and stronger. too many people however waste all of their money on Muscle tech products when you can make them yourself at home. you are a wise man baller45. Keep postin
K-pac

**daman1** · 03-04-2004, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by K-pac

Can I please suck your dick.

pucker up

**K-pac** · 03-04-2004, 01:45 PM

Oh daman1
you know I love when you talk to me like that

No hard feelings man. I respect your opinion!

K-pac

**Rotary** · 03-04-2004, 02:15 PM

Fellas,

I have a couple questions. For the post cycle, what are 6-oxo, nolva, clomid, and bromo supposed to help? Liver? Where can you purchase this stuff? People are buying up the M1T most likely because it's legal (for now) so they'll want to also buy the post cycle stuff legally too (myself included). Anyways, I did many searches and couldn't find where to buy the stuff or what exact I'll be trying to accomplish by taking them.

I know what the m1t is so, no explanation necessary

Thanks fellas......

**IronAdam** · 03-04-2004, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rotary

Fellas,

I have a couple questions. For the post cycle, what are 6-oxo, nolva, clomid, and bromo supposed to help? Liver? Where can you purchase this stuff? People are buying up the M1T most likely because it's legal (for now) so they'll want to also buy the post cycle stuff legally too (myself included). Anyways, I did many searches and couldn't find where to buy the stuff or what exact I'll be trying to accomplish by taking them.

I know what the m1t is so, no explanation necessary

Thanks fellas......

6-oxo, nolva and clomid are to prevent gynocomastia (bitch tits). When you supress your natural test production there is a rebound affect when you stop taking the M1T your estrogen levels will be higher and your test production will take a while to spring back. Taking the mentioned products is supposed to supress the estrogen production of your body post cycle. 6-oxo is a legal supplement and you can find it anywhere. Nolva and clomid your on your own for finding. But it is possible. PM me if you have any more questions about M1T or PCT, I'll help you out the best I can.

From MY EXPERIENCE of a 2 week M1T cycle for 2 weeks @ 20mg, 2 weeks of using VPX's aromadex at 10cc a day,I had no signs of gyno, hair loss, grandpa dick etc. I think the worst part of M1T is muscle cramps, you gotta drink alot of water or your muscles will cramp like crazy. I'm on my second cycle of M1T now and I've been at 15mg and I'm noticing the same strength increase as at 20mg but less cramping. Lastly my body retains a noticable ammount of water while on it. Goes away within a week of stopping.

Peace.

**yooo** · 03-04-2004, 08:53 PM

From what Ive learned, M1T is incapable of causing gyno because it cannot convert to estrogen, due to the removing of a certain bond in the compound?
Correct me if im wrong...

**IronAdam** · 03-04-2004, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by yooo

From what Ive learned, M1T is incapable of causing gyno because it cannot convert to estrogen, due to the removing of a certain bond in the compound?
Correct me if im wrong...

VPX claims that it doesnt aromatize, but I think the problem is with natural test supression. I've heard mixed opinions so I don't know what the real deal is. I didn't get gyno...but everyone is different.

**baller45** · 03-11-2004, 12:50 AM

Gyno can be caused by the rise in igf-1 from anabolic hormones. So unless it can turn into progesterone, that would be the reason why people might claim to have problems.