Heavy Negitaves on Bicep workout

[se11]

In my bicep workouts, I like to do heavy seated hammer curls with negitaves(if you read M&F, you'd probally have seen this in like last months issue). I decided to add it into my workout and I like doing one really heavy set. But, when should I do it? Should I begin with it, or do it second. I tried doing it third and couldn't get all 8 reps in. This is my usual workout, allthough I often change it around to not get bored:

Incline Curls or Standing Barbell Curls(2 warm up + 3 regular)
Seated Dumbell Curls or Standing Dumbell Curls(3 sets)
-Heavy Negitaves 1 set(I tried it doesn't work, so I need to change it up)
Standing Hammer Curls(2 sets)
Concentration Curls(2 sets)

Where do you think the heavy negitaves would fit in best I usually work my bi's once every 5-6 days. Can anyone help me out? thnx

[spywizard]

have you read anythiing on static training???

1-2 rep max............ and the next day you wont be able to bend your arms..

jmo and experience..

if you can do a heavy neg at the begining.. you aren't exerting enough....

but then if i don't pop a blood vessel.. i need to add 10 lbs to the lift... be safe

[se11]

im not talking about like extreme heavy, im talkin about just enough to get 5-6 reps and then 2-3 forced onces, im not planning on doing 1-2 and not being able to move the next day

[AandF6969]

im not planning on doing 1-2 and not being able to move the next day

Why the hell not? It's sweet!

[Warrior]

From:The Root of Contraction

"there are three types of muscular failure... 1) concentric failure - simply means you can't lift the weight again. 2) static failure - your muscles are so wiped out that you can't even hold the weight statically at any point in the range of motion. 3) eccentric failure - this the point where you can't control the weight as you lower it, regardless of what tempo you're using. Going to static failure places a greater demand on your body (a greater training stimulis), rather than simply stopping when you can't push or pull anymore." Me

Because eccentric failure should lead you to total failure - I would place it at the end of your routine. Unless you final movement is not a free weight exercise...

[se11]

From:The Root of Contraction

"there are three types of muscular failure... 1) concentric failure - simply means you can't lift the weight again. 2) static failure - your muscles are so wiped out that you can't even hold the weight statically at any point in the range of motion. 3) eccentric failure - this the point where you can't control the weight as you lower it, regardless of what tempo you're using. Going to static failure places a greater demand on your body (a greater training stimulis), rather than simply stopping when you can't push or pull anymore." Me

Because eccentric failure should lead you to total failure - I would place it at the end of your routine. Unless you final movement is not a free weight exercise...

ok thanks, this helped alot