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    For Mass,Train the muscle once, twice or 3 times a week ?

    I have just started a 10 week sust cycle and plan on training all of my body.

    To gain size/mass in my pectorals, biceps and shoulders would it be better to train each one twice to three times a week or just one ?

    I know every other muscle is equally important to train but these are the obviouse ones i want to increase in size.

    So what would some of you more experianced guys say ?

    Will i see bigger gains training my pecs 3 times a week for example, or just once?

    I have read once a week but i would like to hear the feedback of people who have actually done it.

    Cheers

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    once a week if your workouts are heavy high intensity.thats more than enough.your body needs to recover fully.

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    It all depends on the volume!!
    Could you run a 100 meter sprint 3x/week? Yes
    Could you run a marathon 3x/week? No
    What kind of volume are you looking at for each muscle group?

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    O i see, so if i worked to my maximum on each exercise and did that once a week it would be more benificial then twice or three times?

    I obviously want to get the most out of my cycle, so i thought it may be better training the pecs and biceps hard twice a week.

    So what your saying is it would be more benifical if i trained them once a week - hard ?

    Cheers for your feedback !

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    less is more.alot of guys overtrain and see no results.

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    Radar, how do you define intensity?

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    1 day a week.....straight from the steroid homepage

    Anabolic Workouts
    Steroid. com brings to you as much free anabolic steroid information as we can. Anabolic steroids are a very popular anabolic (muscle building) drug that is not legal in all countries. Anabolic steroids can be dangerous to your health and may result in many different types of side effects. We have a very detailed section about the side affects of anabolic steroids and it should be read at least once. Anabolic steroids should only be used with a doctors supervision. We have many profiles on anabolic steroids in the "steroid profile" section of our site. If you can not find the answers that you are looking for about a particular steroid, please see our discussion board. There are hundreds of people on-line to answer your questions. Please do not ask us anabolic steroid related questions directly. We can not and will not answer these for you. Steroid laws are different throughout the world, but here in the United States, anabolic steroids are illegal without a prescription. Please DO NOT ask us to sell or send you anabolic steroids and DO NOT send us anabolic steroids. If you see errors on our website, please contact us to let us know. If you need medical assistance due to the use of anabolic steroids, please see your doctor immediately.

    When you go to just any GYM and take a close look at the members working out, then come back a year later, you will notice that most of them still use the same weights as during your first visit. Why- Because most bodybuilders waste their time with their usual training programs. If the buildup of mass and muscle mass was actually connected with the general common amount of training there would be many more massive bodybuilders. Since this, however, as reality has shown, is apparently not the case a few things seem to be wrong with the typical bodybuilding program. Since most people unnecessarily create their own obstacles they tremendously complicate achieving-their goals (strength and muscle buildup). The majority of them, at least those who are interested in the subject of this book, call them hardcore bodybuilders. Hardcore, however, does not mean training six times a week for three hours and copying Lee Haney's training for a competition, but something completely different. To create a sensible training plan and carry it out without compromise over a prolonged period of time is what makes a true hardcore bodybuilder because only he has the necessary willpower, discipline, ambition and perseverance that is needed. Forget endless long training routines, Mr. Olympia Superstar programs, and deceptive ads such as 30 pounds of muscles in four weeks, and think of the basics without which a strong and massive body cannot exist.

    You should take the following factors to heart since they are absolutely necessary for a successful training. What role does the use of anabolic/androgenic steroids play- Very simple: athletes who take steroids will make clearly faster, better, and greater progress than their natural colleagues. They will also obtain a much higher development stage than would have ever been possible without taking pharmaceutical compounds. Such stupid statements that one will achieve the same mass as a bodybuilder without taking steroids -it only takes longer- is nothing but a completely absurd publicity by the authorities who in their own interest conceal the truth. Read the following lines with an open-minded attitude and try to adapt this information for your own needs.

    1. High-intensity training: The human organism vehemently refuses any unnecessary change since it feels best in a constant condition, a homeostasis. In order to lure it out of its passivity, several efforts and exertions must be made. The signal that the body needs in order to build up strength and muscle mass is triggered by heavy, hard, and intense training routines. These should consist of relatively few sets. Five to eight sets for large muscle groups and three to four sets for small muscle groups are completely sufficient when every set is carried out until muscle failure.

    2. Training with relatively low repetitions: The body has two different types of muscle fibers: Since the muscle hypertrophy almost completely occurs in the fast-twitch white muscle fibers of type 2, a sensible bodybuilding workout must be developed in a way that these are sufficiently stimulated. For this purpose relatively few, heavy reps in the range of 6-10 are suitable.

    3. Training with progressively heavier weights: In order to build up massive muscles they must be challenged and exposed to regular progressively-higher resistances. This can be achieved when the athlete continuously increases the weight during exercises. The stronger the muscles the larger their appearance. There is no mass without power. The basic exercises such as squats, bench presses, presses behind the neck, rows, barbell curls, dips, etc. are the most suitable.

    4. Sufficient rest periods: The muscles are stimulated through training but only grow during their rest phase. The higher the intensity, the higher the damage of the muscle cell and the longer the resting phase. When you train with adequate intensity you simply cannot train each and every day nor should you attack a muscle twice a week. Learn to accept rest and recovery as important factors of your training success. Every day you train in the GYM should be followed by a complete off day. Bodybuilders who are interested in an optimal strength and muscle gain should train every muscle once very intensely every 7-8 days.

    5. Plateau and phase training: The body can be put under maximum stress only for a limited time. If this time is exceeded, development comes to a stop and if continued the performance will regress. For this reason the intensity and extent of the training program should be changed every 12-14 weeks. The athlete should enjoy several days off training and then change to a several-week long maintenance training (plateau training).

    The following training program considers all essential factors which are necessary for a quick buildup of strength and muscle mass. In combination with the nutrition tips included in this book its effectiveness can be considerably increased. Based on the high intensity it is not suitable for natural bodybuilders over a long time. This training schedule is obviously only intended as a suggestion and can be changed by every athlete to meet his individual needs, as long as the discussed principles are met.



    Eight-Day Training Cycle: One day training, one day rest
    (One day on, one day off)
    Day 1: Chest, biceps
    Bench presses 3 sets 6- 8 reps
    Incline bench presses 2 sets 6- 8 reps
    Dips with added weights 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Barbell curls 3 sets 6-10 reps
    Dumbbell curls 2 sets 6-10 reps
    Day 3: Thighs
    Squats 3 sets 6-10 reps
    Leg presses 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Leg curls 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Day 5: Shoulder, triceps
    Presses behind neck 3 sets 6- 8 reps
    Upright row 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Side laterals 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Lying triceps presses 3 sets 6-10 reps
    Triceps pulley pushdown 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Day 7: Back. calves
    Chins with added weight 3 sets 8-10 reps
    Lat pull to neck 2 sets 8-10 reps
    Barbell bent-over row 2 sets 6-10 reps
    Seated cable row 2 sets 6-10 reps
    Standing calf raise 3 sets 8-12 reps
    Seated calf raise 2 sets 8-12 reps


    Note: Training is only on uneven days, i.e. every 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 8th day is a complete rest day. The intervals between the various sets should be 3-4 minutes. The athlete should pay attention that the exercises -as much as possible- are carried out with free weights and not on machines. Every muscle is directly trained only once every eight days. It is important that every set is carried out until muscle failure meaning that the athlete is unable to do another rep-etition on its own. Only in this case are the relatively few sets and especially long rest periods justified. The muscle cell must be brought in a strongly catabolic condition since only then the distinct anticatabolic effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids develops fully. The required intensity of training, however, can only be achieved when you start (after a short warmup) with the heaviest weight possible and then decrease the weight in every following set because of the losing body strength so that the desired repetitions can still be obtained. In order to avoid any misunderstandings we would like to quickly explain this principle on an example. Our athlete is able to carry out a maximum of six repetitions with 300 pounds on bench presses.

    1st warmup set: 10 reps with 140 pounds
    2nd warmup set: 2 reps with 200 pounds
    3rd warmup set: 2 reps with 240 pounds
    1st working set: 6 reps with 300 pounds
    2nd working set: 7 reps with 280 pounds
    3rd working set: 7 reps with 260 pounds

    The first warmup set serves to bring blood to the muscles and joints. The second and third warmup set are an approach to the weight of the first working set. The interplay between the muscle and nerve is stimulated, meaning the athlete gets a feeling for the heavy weights without wasting strength and energy at the same time. During the following chest exercises the warmup sets are completely omitted which means that they are only necessary for the first exercise of the muscle to be trained. Do not forget, however, that during every exercise or set you should try to squeeze out an additional one or two repetitions than during the previous training in order to in-crease training weights in the following week. This continuous tire-some struggle to increase repetitions and weight is the only way to a massive body. Always remember: HEAVY WEIGHTS BUILD BIG MUSCLES.

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    4. Sufficient rest periods: The muscles are stimulated through training but only grow during their rest phase. The higher the intensity, the higher the damage of the muscle cell and the longer the resting phase. When you train with adequate intensity you simply cannot train each and every day nor should you attack a muscle twice a week. Learn to accept rest and recovery as important factors of your training success. Every day you train in the GYM should be followed by a complete off day. Bodybuilders who are interested in an optimal strength and muscle gain should train every muscle once very intensely every 7-8 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypertrophy
    Radar, how do you define intensity?
    intensity=thinking you can only possibly do one more rep but doing two.pushing past your limit.100%!!!
    thats my definition of intensity.
    i hear guys at the gym say they're workouts are 1-1.5 hours and they have a hard time making gains.i spend no more than 40 mins with the weights and im totally exhausted.thats what i want.if you work the sh*t out of your muscle you should let it rest at least a week.
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    Sounds like you do not have much training. So normally, I would say yes twice a wk is fine as long as the diet is in check. However, since you have little experience pumpin iron then IF you train with some intensity you SHOULD get DOMS(Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) caused by the stress and breakdown of fibers in addition to the depletion of glutamine . If this is true and you are in fact sore then NO you should not train but once a week. If you do recover say after 5 days then you could work it again but perhaps not as high intensity. Your CNS will tell you ,so let your body speak to you. I am also assumming you wish bigger guns.. they can be worked twice a week as they are smaller,thus recover quicker but being cautious of overtraining them. Then you reach a point of diminishing returns. Good luck

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    Im all about going real hard once a week because it gives your muscles time to recouperate. I do that when im on cycle and off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluethunder
    Sounds like you do not have much training. So normally, I would say yes twice a wk is fine as long as the diet is in check. However, since you have little experience pumpin iron then IF you train with some intensity you SHOULD get DOMS(Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) caused by the stress and breakdown of fibers in addition to the depletion of glutamine . If this is true and you are in fact sore then NO you should not train but once a week. If you do recover say after 5 days then you could work it again but perhaps not as high intensity. Your CNS will tell you ,so let your body speak to you. I am also assumming you wish bigger guns.. they can be worked twice a week as they are smaller,thus recover quicker but being cautious of overtraining them. Then you reach a point of diminishing returns. Good luck
    are you saying that doms is a bad thing and when you get it you are loosing muscle?

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    Iron NO!! It's a good indication you finally stressed the muscle fibers into breakdown. Which means you most likely had a effective workout. During recovery(sleep mostly) they will repair which they will try to do if nutrients are there for growth. As time goes on you will adapt & DOMS may be less or none at all which means you need to change something. However, I am saying that if you have some soreness and decide to workout that muscle before it recovers then YES you will lose some or just maintain at best. Bottom line soreness(not sharp/dull pains) is normal after a great workout. As a added note I am not saying just because you have no soreness does not neccesarly mean it was not a productive workout.
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    my gym instructor ill advised me to work each muscle group hard 3x a week(20 sets on each muscle) so thats what i did and after 6 months my shoulder got so painfull that now i still cant work it hardly at all and all this happened just into a cycle. take the advice of these guys, they know what they're talking about.

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    IMO, 1x a week and 3min rest between sets

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    All dependent upon your individual genetic/recovery abilities.

    I train everything twice per week, but there is a method to my madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluethunder
    Sounds like you do not have much training. So normally, I would say yes twice a wk is fine as long as the diet is in check. However, since you have little experience pumpin iron then IF you train with some intensity you SHOULD get DOMS(Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) caused by the stress and breakdown of fibers in addition to the depletion of glutamine . If this is true and you are in fact sore then NO you should not train but once a week. If you do recover say after 5 days then you could work it again but perhaps not as high intensity. Your CNS will tell you ,so let your body speak to you. I am also assumming you wish bigger guns.. they can be worked twice a week as they are smaller,thus recover quicker but being cautious of overtraining them. Then you reach a point of diminishing returns. Good luck
    If he has little experience training, then am I the only one that thinks he shouldnt be starting a cycle anyway?!

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    do a pyrimid so you change up your routine alot and make sure you
    recover man.

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    i got doms for the first time ever the other day. 99% of the time, i am sore as all hell the morning after a workout. does anybody else have doms 99% of the time? does that mean that one who does not get doms has a faster recovery speed?

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    I experience DOMS in some degree after every training session. This would be highly individualized.

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    I've been training "instinctively" for a month now and I'm happier. I have always followed a specific day and time for every bodypart/workout. Most times I'd do everything once per week. After realizing that I recover much faster than others, and that I've been lifting for over 12 years, I've started training my smaller/lagging bodyparts 2-3X per week (bis, tris, shoulders).
    I've been training large groups (chest, back, legs) once per week. I'm pushing my strength up! I even added some volume. I was a follower of Mentzer's training philosphy for years and now I have managed to add slightly more volume, while still keeping my sets heavy (under 10 reps).
    Anyway, just seems like I needed this slight change. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmmtheIceman
    Im all about going real hard once a week because it gives your muscles time to recouperate. I do that when im on cycle and off.
    What if you lowered the volume so it would take less time for recovery and then you could stimulate the muscle more frequently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by needbigguns
    I have just started a 10 week sust cycle and plan on training all of my body.

    To gain size/mass in my pectorals, biceps and shoulders would it be better to train each one twice to three times a week or just one ?

    I know every other muscle is equally important to train but these are the obviouse ones i want to increase in size.

    So what would some of you more experianced guys say ?

    Will i see bigger gains training my pecs 3 times a week for example, or just once?

    I have read once a week but i would like to hear the feedback of people who have actually done it.

    Cheers
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    Depends on
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    WORKOUT
    YOUR METABOLISM
    etc. Not all people fall into the same category.

    How to figure it out. Workout normally. When it comes time to do that muscle group again, are you still sore. does it feel like those muscles are still rebuilding. are you fatigued while doing the workout. are you able to do the same weight and reps.
    Some people say once a week, others say 2x a week and a few say 3x.

    My preferance is 2x a week but I seldom have time for that.

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