Back workout

Hi all.

I would like to know if my Back workout is Overtraining ?

Some spec:
At the moment I'm 100% natural. I plan to start my first roids cycles soon.
Specs as of Mai 2005:
Sex: Male
Age: 20
weight: 160 pounds - 72.6 kg
height: 1.83 meters
Supplement intake: Protain-Glutamine

Workout Goal: Mass Gain

Back workout:
(rest time: 1 min)

Deadlift 4x8
Rowing 4x8
Lat Pulldown 3x8
Barbell BentRow (with squat 45lbs bar) 3x8
Back Chest Machine (for laterals) 3x8

total series: 17
total reps: 40

is this overtraining my Back ?

i do the same basic back workout... and it's been good to me.

Poor question...overtraining is specific to the individual.

The only way you can know is by reveiwing your condition post-training, looking out for specific signs of over-training

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Originally Posted by SayHelotomylilFriend

Hi all.

I would like to know if my Back workout is Overtraining ?

Some spec:
At the moment I'm 100% natural. I plan to start my first roids cycles soon.
Specs as of Mai 2005:
Sex: Male
Age: 20
weight: 160 pounds - 72.6 kg
height: 1.83 meters
Supplement intake: Protain-Glutamine

Workout Goal: Mass Gain

Back workout:
(rest time: 1 min)

Deadlift 4x8
Rowing 4x8
Lat Pulldown 3x8
Barbell BentRow (with squat 45lbs bar) 3x8
Back Chest Machine (for laterals) 3x8

total series: 17
total reps: 40

is this overtraining my Back ?

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i would move the bent row closer to one of the first exercises for when you're more fresh

I would venture to say that you are doing too many sets, I was doing basically the same thing and plateued for about 3 months. Switch it up, go more intense with only 10-12 sets per body part. If you are going balls out, you should see gains. I saw a quote today that said "Remember, the bigger the muscle, the more burn needed to spark growth" hit whatever exercise you do for at least 1 more rep if you can.

i would switch lat pulldown for regular pullups. they worked alot better for me.

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Originally Posted by lucabratzi

i would switch lat pulldown for regular pullups. they worked alot better for me.

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yes for sure do this too!

i would just like to say your kinda tiny to start using AAS any time soon but thats just me because i hate to see people who arent even close to a plateu or genetic boundry start using gear. oh well... i know it has very lil weight...

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Originally Posted by EcToMoRpHiAn

I would venture to say that you are doing too many sets, I was doing basically the same thing and plateued for about 3 months. Switch it up, go more intense with only 10-12 sets per body part. If you are going balls out, you should see gains. I saw a quote today that said "Remember, the bigger the muscle, the more burn needed to spark growth" hit whatever exercise you do for at least 1 more rep if you can.

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ok I lowered some sets. Here's what I got:


Deadlift 3x8
Barbell BentRow (with squat 45lbs bar) 3x8
Rowing 3x8
Lat Pulldown or pullup 3x8
Back Chest Machine (for laterals) 3x8


so what you think of it ? any change required ?

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Originally Posted by taiboxa

i would just like to say your kinda tiny to start using AAS any time soon but thats just me because i hate to see people who arent even close to a plateu or genetic boundry start using gear. oh well... i know it has very lil weight...

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i agree especially if what you in your details is true that you only have 1 month worth of training under your belt, at least wait a couple years

Men, tu m'écoutes pas toi...

Tes amies connaissent RIEN au stéroïdes. T'en a pour 5 ans a t'entrainer avant meme de penser au stéro...

Tk, détruit ta test naturelle, c'pas la mienne... lol

Do you to any type of hytrophy training? Low reps and heavy weight is only going to take you so far......you'll need to break through the pain and push your muscles past the point of faliure if you're looking for mass......if your looking to increase your strength then stick to your current routine. Try this:

Pull-overs: use enough weigfht that you can get 10 clean reps but no more. Then do eight more reps (you'll need a training partner for this). Soon as you finish the last rep, drop the weight by 30% and do eight more reps. Right after the last rep drop the weight another 30% for eight more reps. take a 90 second break then do it again. Fllow that with one-armed rows...same exact fashion. You can try and do one more exercise but I don't think you'll make it. try it and tell me how you fell the next couple of days....bet your back feels like it's six feet wide.

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Originally Posted by Juggernaut

Do you to any type of hytrophy training? Low reps and heavy weight is only going to take you so far......you'll need to break through the pain and push your muscles past the point of faliure if you're looking for mass......if your looking to increase your strength then stick to your current routine. Try this:

Pull-overs: use enough weigfht that you can get 10 clean reps but no more. Then do eight more reps (you'll need a training partner for this). Soon as you finish the last rep, drop the weight by 30% and do eight more reps. Right after the last rep drop the weight another 30% for eight more reps. take a 90 second break then do it again. Fllow that with one-armed rows...same exact fashion. You can try and do one more exercise but I don't think you'll make it. try it and tell me how you fell the next couple of days....bet your back feels like it's six feet wide.

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What are you talking about ? I wanted my BACK workout reviewed...

Pull-overs is a pec exercises !

anyway.. why you say that this routine is for stengh and not mass ?
what should I change ? increase the sets number ?
I DO heavy weight ...
I need intelligent solution... Pull-over is a pec exercises... wtf...

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Originally Posted by ReX357

Men, tu m'écoutes pas toi...

Tes amies connaissent RIEN au stéroïdes. T'en a pour 5 ans a t'entrainer avant meme de penser au stéro...

Tk, détruit ta test naturelle, c'pas la mienne... lol

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t'es qui toi ?
ce ne sont pas mes amis qui me conseil sur le roids... c'est un mek de ce forum.. tu connais mes amis ou koi ?

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Originally Posted by SayHelotomylilFriend

What are you talking about ? I wanted my BACK workout reviewed...

Pull-overs is a pec exercises !

anyway.. why you say that this routine is for stengh and not mass ?
what should I change ? increase the sets number ?
I DO heavy weight ...
I need intelligent solution... Pull-over is a pec exercises... wtf...

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Do it just as I said and then come back and tell me it's a chest exercise. You can use a machine if you like, I don't have a machine so I do them the old fashion way....bench and dumbbells.

General rule of thumb is heavy weight low reps you'll gain mass but it's more for strength. Moderate weight, higher rep range fit more of a mass routine than strength. You can piece meal a plan and have great gains due to the fact we are all different and some things work well for some and not for others. Best thing I've found is to divide up the year and plan a strength rountine and a hytrophy rountine and run them each a couple of times a year.

Serioously try those pull-overs like a suggested. Oh, your training partner isn't to do any of the lift at all....he's only there to keep you moving, and when you get into a static hold situation he's not to assist until he sees your lift start to slide backwards. No cheating and do them in perfect form

pull overs can be for both muscles, it all depends on how they are executed.

what are you looking for more back width or back thickness?

Pullovers not chest exercise, do what Juggy says and you will see what he's talking about. Use a machine if possible, a dumbell doesn't give you anywhere near the range of motion that machine gives you and on this exercise it matters big time IMO.

Too many exercises IMO. I dont bodybuild, I do more of a powerlifting routine (westside).
My back Maxeffort day:
Deadlifts
135x20- warmup
225x5
315x5
405x5
500x1
540x1
565x1

Pullups- 4 sets of bodyweight

1 arm dumbell rows
100x10
110x8
120x6
120x6

thats all I do, and my back is thick and wide..

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Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD

what are you looking for more back width or back thickness?

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both .. but thickness is my main goal for back

hey I can't see any Machine pullovers ....

I have no idea of what kind of machine this could be..
I've seen some picture on the net but... I can see..
I need some exercises animation of video.. anyone found that somewhere ?

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Originally Posted by aspengc8

Too many exercises IMO. I dont bodybuild, I do more of a powerlifting routine (westside).
My back Maxeffort day:
Deadlifts
135x20- warmup
225x5
315x5
405x5
500x1
540x1
565x1

Pullups- 4 sets of bodyweight

1 arm dumbell rows
100x10
110x8
120x6
120x6

thats all I do, and my back is thick and wide..

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I think you're right saying I do too many exercises...
I could remove the last one.. Back Chest Machine (for laterals)
but I really want to get huge laterals soon.. being my only isolated exercises for lat... I can't end up removing it...

do you do Pullups or Chinups ? I find ChinUp better but I can't do them yet..
maybe I should replace the Barbell BentRow for 1 arm dumbbell row.. ?


I think you're workout is damn good. maybe I should do it.

A few questions for you.. if you dont mind..


how long have you been working out and how does your diet look like?

1 more thing...of the exercises you listed can you add the amount of weight that you use as well?

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Originally Posted by mass junkie

A few questions for you.. if you dont mind..


how long have you been working out and how does your diet look like?

1 more thing...of the exercises you listed can you add the amount of weight that you use as well?

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In all sincerity i'm a rooky.

Some spec:
At the moment I'm 100% natural. I plan to start my first roids cycles soon.
Specs as of Mai 2005:
Sex: Male
Age: 20
weight: 160 pounds - 72.6 kg
height: 1.83 meters
Supplement intake: Protain-Glutamine
diet: 4-5 Highly proteined/Low carbs/Low fat meal a day.

Chest: 36.2"
Waist: 31.8"
Bicep: 13.4"
Forearm: 11.2"
Thigh: 22"
Calve: 14.9"
Neck: 15.2"
Shoulders: 44.9"


I know you ask me those question because of my quote: "but I really want to get huge laterals soon"... this was only to focus on the lat idea.. I know I won't get huge lat tommorow...

Deadlift 3x8@ dunno yet
Barbell BentRow (with squat 45lbs bar) 3x8@ dunno yet
Rowing 3x8@ 110lbs
Lat Pulldown or pullup 3x8@ 105lbs
Back Chest Machine (for laterals) 3x8@100lbs

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Originally Posted by Narkissos

Poor question...overtraining is specific to the individual.

The only way you can know is by reveiwing your condition post-training, looking out for specific signs of over-training

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i was thinking same thing nark.



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what are the signs of over-training ?

For over training, just go hard, within means, for one day(whatever # of sets you do), then let that groupe rest for a day, if not more. I know this part is personal, but heres my $.2 on it.... You say you plan on doing a cycle soon. Ok, well imagine what you will look like. Got it? Now NATURALLY work and build tell you get there. I might not seem possible, or feasable, but trust me, it is. THEN, after that, if you still feel like your gonna cycle, mentally and physically, go for it. You will look, and feel much better. Good Luck no matter what you do.

ScreaM

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Originally Posted by chicamahomico

Pullovers not chest exercise, do what Juggy says and you will see what he's talking about.

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Ditto

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Originally Posted by Jantzen4k

i was thinking same thing nark.



:asskiss:

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THanks :P

Sign of over-training

Insomnia
Achiness or pain in the muscles and/or joints
Fatigue
Headaches
Elevated morning pulse
Sudden inability to complete workouts
Feeling unmotivated and lacking energy
Increased susceptibility to colds, sore throats and other illnesses
Loss in appetite
Decrease in performance