looking to maybe switchup my back workout

i start out with triangle grip pullups. i use the assist, because i cannot get more than 3-4 reps, and those with bad form if i do. anybody thoughts on whether i should keep up like im doing or try to slowly work up with bodyweight only,getting what i can? heres the workout

pull-ups:4x8-10
lat pulls: 4x8-10
cg seated rows:3x10
deadlifts:3x5-10
shrugs: 3x 10-15

i would say use the assist and try to get 4-6 good reps. also shrugs isnt a workout for ur back, that mostly trains traps. mabey you can add bentover barbell rows instead of that

well i do traps on back day, just thought i would include them

Havin a Solid Dead lift works sick things for my back, I'd put that closer to the begining of our workout and super set shrugs with DB shoulder press on shoulder days, IMO

leave dead lifts for last, they force you to use so many different muscles in your body you'd be too fatigued to work at full intensity on other exercises if you did them first...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Jugo Buen0

leave dead lifts for last, they force you to use so many different muscles in your body you'd be too fatigued to work at full intensity on other exercises if you did them first...

---

Maybe true, but my back grew like mad from it... who knows it might work out for him too

I like hammer strength rows, t-bar row(w/ chest support), dumbell rows.

But... Back thickness=deads, back width=chins

you should really be doing bent over rows.

i'd say nix the lat pulldowns as there's basically the same movement as pullups, and go to a wide grip on the pullups. the triangle frip has it's place but not as the cornerstone of your back workout.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by John Stamos' Nephew

you should really be doing bent over rows.

i'd say nix the lat pulldowns as there's basically the same movement as pullups, and go to a wide grip on the pullups. the triangle frip has it's place but not as the cornerstone of your back workout.

---

I meant to say wide grip chins, but bent overs are risky w/ the back. Thats why I reccomended t-bars w/ chest support.

I agree about the lat pulldowns.

heavy rows, chins (or lat pulldown) and deadlift......thats all you need....quit dickin with the seated rows and shrugs

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by alphaman

I meant to say wide grip chins, but bent overs are risky w/ the back. Thats why I reccomended t-bars w/ chest support.

I agree about the lat pulldowns.

---

if you're worried about that i would use the hammer strength row over the t-bar for mass anyday.

the t-bar hits most people across the upper back more.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by John Stamos' Nephew

if you're worried about that i would use the hammer strength row over the t-bar for mass anyday.

the t-bar hits most people across the upper back more.

---

I use the hammer strength rows and t- bars. The t-bar w/ the chest support feels similar to bent over rows, it puts your torso and arms in the same position(wider grip). The hammer strength feels like it hits the outer part or the lat, and the t-bar hits the middle too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

heavy rows, chins (or lat pulldown) and deadlift......thats all you need....quit dickin with the seated rows and shrugs

---

exactly! these are by far the best. no point in doing much else, all you will do is slow recovery, and/or begin overtraining! i would just throw bar shrugs and rear delt flyes and there's your back day

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by alphaman

I use the hammer strength rows and t- bars. The t-bar w/ the chest support feels similar to bent over rows, it puts your torso and arms in the same position(wider grip). The hammer strength feels like it hits the outer part or the lat, and the t-bar hits the middle too.

---

it feels like a completely different movement to me (more upper back-oriented), but hey we all respond differently.

chest supported rows are for little boys.

All you need: Bent over rows, some kind of lat pull down motion (can also be pull ups), and deadlifts...jsut kill it while doing all these exercises and you WILL gain mass

ooops, i just realized I pretty much repeated what wolfy said...My bad. BTW, good advice wolfy ;)

i believe pullups to be esential for complete lat development. i dont do them every workout, but atleast everyother.

after you fail at about 4 reps have someone help you force at least 6 more- unless you completely fail prior to that point. even better for you would be an assisted pullup machine- (where you stand on the bar). lastly, if you have no one to assist you- do partials.