chest & shoulders????

**gabriel595** · 10-13-2005, 06:16 PM

i've always worked shoulders alone, how many of you guys would recomend me to work chest with shoulders? have you seen better results doing this?

**sooners04** · 10-13-2005, 08:48 PM

I work legs and shoulders, just me though.

**godkilla** · 10-13-2005, 09:10 PM

i only work chest with shoulders when i do my 3 day split m/w/f. other than that it shoulders and traps or shoulders and triceps for me.

**Flexor** · 10-14-2005, 06:16 AM

Not putting shoulders with chest is stupid. The anterior delt gets so knackered from benching and dipping that you might as well just throw in 3 sets of military presses after it and 3 sets of lateral raises and that is it.

The rear delt gets hit perfectly by rows on back day, so just chuck in some bent over lateral raises as the isolation on back day.

Some people might have stubborn shoulders that don't grow, so they do whatever they can to get them to grow...like with their own day

**Blown_SC** · 10-14-2005, 06:39 AM

I always work shoulders with chest and tri's.... I used to work them with legs, but I've noticed way better gains in size/strength training this way. Some people prefer to add in an additional day for cuff work though.

**Flexor** · 10-14-2005, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Blown_SC

I always work shoulders with chest and tri's.... I used to work them with legs, but I've noticed way better gains in size/strength training this way. Some people prefer to add in an additional day for cuff work though.

Exactly, I also do shoulders, chest and tris.

That way the benching hits the pecs but pre-exhausts them as well and allows dips to fully concentrate on the triceps. Then I do flyes, skulls and some lateral raises and its quite a compact session even though I've worked everything. At the moment I am not needing military presses for my shoulders as the benching is really make them sore.

Gains in size and strength are greater when you work muscle groups together that work naturally in everyday activites. For example, combining biceps and back causes the greatest amount of neurological activation in both groups. Same with tris and chest, and shoulders and chest.

**SAGAD_01** · 10-14-2005, 09:56 PM

i think delts need a day for their own...

tried combining them with chest and tri b4...

noticed that i can't lift the same weight than if i do them on a seperate day...

using perfect form and technique, more weight equals more stimulation equals more growth right? so if i could use a heavier weight for my delts if i do them seperately, i'll do them seperately...

**Chemical King** · 10-15-2005, 03:40 AM

i do this split at the minute :

day 1 : back / triceps
day 2 : off
day 3 : chest / shoulders
day 4 : off
day 5 : legs / biceps / shoulders

i hit shoulders twice in the wk now cos i felt as if i hadnt blasted them on day 3 so by doing them again on day 5 they had 5 days to recover fully

**Flexor** · 10-15-2005, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by SAGAD_01

i think delts need a day for their own...

tried combining them with chest and tri b4...

noticed that i can't lift the same weight than if i do them on a seperate day...

using perfect form and technique, more weight equals more stimulation equals more growth right? so if i could use a heavier weight for my delts if i do them seperately, i'll do them seperately...

You're right, but my front delts always ache like hell after benching and doing military presses doesn't do that for me. I bench way more than I military press so its handling more weight and therefore more growth.

**gabriel595** · 10-16-2005, 12:18 PM

thanks for all the responses they've been very helpfull, i was thinking of doing 10 sets of chest and 10 for shoulders because i want to hit the shoulders as much as i can...would this be overtraining?

**Liftnainez** · 10-23-2005, 03:14 PM

i have also been interested in this spli- chest/shoulders.. I will be starting to use this coming up this week.. i will let you know how it goes.. anybody else with good experiences from training chest/shoulders together?
Thanks bros

**SMYL_GR8** · 10-23-2005, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Flexor

Not putting shoulders with chest is stupid.

You just called the majority of members here stupid. Overworking your SITS muscles is stupid.

**robkesl** · 10-23-2005, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8

You just called the majority of members here stupid. Overworking your SITS muscles is stupid.

i agree, i dont do chest and shoulders together, and i dont know of anyone that does. and ive always had good growth, i feel that after my chest workout im too taxed to try any other muscles, same for shoulders, and it would A: lack the ability to hit the shoulders effectively, and B: just cause hell on your rotator cuffs.

**superbeast** · 10-23-2005, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Flexor

You're right, but my front delts always ache like hell after benching and doing military presses doesn't do that for me.

Maybe you should try bench pressing correctly or a different exercise so that you work your chest rather than your front delts.

**max2extreme** · 10-23-2005, 06:42 PM

i wouldnt ever do chest and shoulders together because when im done with either exercise, im worn out. i hit both pretty hard. and that would just take too much time for me.