Thread: twice a week bodypart?
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11-12-2005, 05:23 PM #1
twice a week bodypart?
somebody told me that training a bodypart twice a week is too much, is this true?
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11-12-2005, 05:33 PM #2
yes i think its to much, i like to work arms every 5 days but other then that it better to rest then overtrain.
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11-12-2005, 05:35 PM #3
ehh, for arms prob yea its too much, but ive seen great gains doing chest n legs twice a week. I dont do this for more then 6 weeks though, i usually see great strength gains then i hit a HUDGE plateu n even get weaker, thats when u switch back to once a weak, so people will say its to much, but when u plateu on ur once a week workout, switch to twice a week n ull see great gains
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11-12-2005, 05:47 PM #4
let me go alittle more in depth so i dont get flamed... when training twice a week i usually only do 8 sets for the muscle, like chest ill only do flat n incline, instead of the 16 set theory, like i said ive seen great gains with this, but u cant do it for a prolonged time,
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11-12-2005, 05:48 PM #5Banned
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I've heard people say the arms repair fastest whilst the other body parts take longer. Some people work their arms twice a week because of this. It doesn't matter how often you train a bodypart, as long as you don't train it when it aches.
For example, If someone's chest had stopped aching after 3 days, then they could train it. If one can do something like that though, its more than likely that the intensity in the last workout was not there and by working harder they would be forced to take a longer rest.
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11-12-2005, 05:53 PM #6
Thank you very much for the Posts!
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11-12-2005, 06:15 PM #7
I like to train muscle groups at least 2 times a week but I have recently learned here that once is enough for bulking. I am trying it now and will find out for myself.
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11-12-2005, 08:36 PM #8
Once is enough, twice may be too much and actually impair it from growing as much as it could have from just working it once. More is not always better.
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11-12-2005, 09:04 PM #9Originally Posted by Flexor
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11-13-2005, 06:07 AM #10Banned
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Originally Posted by NewKid
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11-13-2005, 09:40 AM #11
i read it.
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11-13-2005, 10:01 AM #12Originally Posted by Flexor
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11-13-2005, 11:41 AM #13Banned
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Originally Posted by NewKid
Its actually the release of calcium ions from within the muscles through the damaged sarcolemma membrane that triggers the numerous processes involved with removing damaged 'pieces' of muscle and triggering regrowth. Enzymes called calpains and hormones such as IGF-1, FGF and TGF-beta are released into the damaged muscle and they diffuse throughout.
I don't see the link between the CNS and muscle regrowth, and although nervous impulses trigger the release of some hormones, there is no reason why the body would stop producing the key hormones for 24hours after a workout. Muscle regrowth begins as soon as you stop working out because white blood cells mop up damaged proteins and nutrients flood the cell. Then protein synthesis occurs within the muscle cells, stimulated by the hormones that diffuse into the cytoplasm.
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11-13-2005, 11:54 AM #14Originally Posted by Flexor
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11-13-2005, 12:02 PM #15Banned
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Originally Posted by NewKid
Its obvious that you need to give a days rest for the CNS after a hard workout so that its fresh for another hard day after. However I believe muscle growth occurs independently of the CNS and if you are hitting different muscles the next day, growth will still occur in the muscles hit the previous day.
I workout 3 times a week, mon, wed, fri.Last edited by Flexor; 11-13-2005 at 12:06 PM.
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11-13-2005, 12:10 PM #16
It depends on the individual.
'tis only this year that i've reduced my training to hitting each bodypart once per week.
For seven years i trained everything twice per week and made great gains in strength... and density.
i'll reiterate...it's relative to the individual. You need to listen to your body to know what's right?
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11-13-2005, 02:14 PM #17
nark.. is that u in the pics? if that is you, then you must really kick ass as a bodybuilder.
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11-13-2005, 02:18 PM #18Originally Posted by NewKid
This is from BIG A
Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When
does it have to adapt? When you expose it to something
that it has not done before. When is something that it
has not done before? When the muscle is taxed 100%.
That's 100% effort. What's 100% effort? When you train
to 100% PHYSICAL, not mental failure. So, to make the
muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort
otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow.
Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial
to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100%
effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then,
what is the point to do a second set of that exercise?
You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has
been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should
you do a second one? You will just eat into your
recovery ability.
So, you should only do one set to failure per
exercise. Later on, I will describe the training
program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.
This is my opinion.
uhh if that is true then... All the pros are wrong and HE IS RIGHT!
so how come u should only do one set per muscle?
so the BIG A is right, and my built hard book which states that you should do on a pec work out is,
Pecs
Medium grip flat bench press 5 sets 8-10 reps
Medium grip incline bench press 4 sets 8-10 reps
Dips with weight 4 sets 8-10 reps
Ten-degree decline bench press 4 sets 8-10 reps
Bent- arm pullovers 3 sets 8-10 reps
once a week?Last edited by Akrus423; 11-13-2005 at 02:29 PM.
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11-13-2005, 02:28 PM #19
The Pros Don't Do One Set Per Muscle!
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11-13-2005, 02:28 PM #20Junior Member
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I do believe this link will answer your questions and then some.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...ad.php?t=13774
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11-13-2005, 02:41 PM #21Originally Posted by NewKid
i'm not saying ur totally wrong, i'm just saying i doubt BIG A is right about doing only one set per body part, once a week.
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11-13-2005, 02:44 PM #22
There are millions of opinons on this, DC training you workout mon wed fri n n workout everymuscle every one of those days, but only one exercise per day for everymuscle. Many sports programs have you working muslces twice a week, doing core exercises, it seems most body builders workout every bodypart every 6-8 days, my point....
They all work, some better for others, i know i gain great doing twice a week, but then eventually have to go back to once a week otherwise i plateu greatly, see what works for u, i know if i do chest then wait a week i feel stale n weak because i waited to long, n sometimes im still sore after a weak, pick a plan u feel comf with, post it up to make sure it snot HORRible n not beneficial, n then do it, if it works then u found a good routine for urself, if it doesnt then start over, the only way ur gonna find out for urself
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11-13-2005, 02:45 PM #23Originally Posted by Akrus423
Second...Big A is an IFBB Pro...
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11-13-2005, 02:49 PM #24
also u need to switch up from heavy/low rep, to light /high rep, usually after 4-6 weeks of going heavy ull stop gaining, and need to switch over to low weight high rep, and believe me ull know when that time comes, ull be all fired up cause ur getting stronger every week, then one week u go u cant do it, n u think its cause ur tired, the the next week the same thing, well then u know its time...
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11-13-2005, 02:52 PM #25
that link above i personally do not agree with, n i mean with the AAS he reccomend with that workout, i think its absolutly crazy, but thats me u form ur own opinion, here is a great link imo, great fundmentals, and works, this is for one day a week, what i usually do it a twice a week program(ill post it if u want) for about 5 weeks, then switch to this program, then take a week or 2 off
been geting PMs about my program here you go!
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11-13-2005, 02:58 PM #26
also theres a post right here in the workout forum that says pro trainer tells all, read this also
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11-13-2005, 03:40 PM #27Originally Posted by NewKid
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11-13-2005, 03:43 PM #28Banned
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Originally Posted by NewKid
The idea of a quote seems to be lost on Akrus423. Me and NewKid were having a discussion, which was the reason we were quoting each other's comments...pretty obvious I thought.
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11-13-2005, 03:58 PM #29Originally Posted by Flexor
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11-13-2005, 04:00 PM #30Originally Posted by NewKid
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11-13-2005, 04:14 PM #31Banned
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No of course you were welcome to add your opinion, just without quoting either of us, because we were exchanging our own written personal opinions. You just jumped with Newkid's quote and answered "i'm not saying ur totally wrong". The point is YOU and I don't have the same opinions and NewKid was commenting on my opinion and NOT yours.
This really isn't a big deal so forget this.
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11-14-2005, 06:44 AM #32
this will always be a widely debateable issue I think both flexor, and Newkid, hold valid information....
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11-14-2005, 07:57 AM #33Banned
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good to have you back on the board S.P.G
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11-14-2005, 08:07 AM #34Originally Posted by Flexor
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11-14-2005, 08:41 AM #35
IMO 2 times a week is far from overtaining if going about it the wrong way.
There is 2 "right" ways to do it.
Semi high volume but NOT GOING TO FAILURE
Or
some kind of HIT routine with only 1-2 sets to failure for each bodypart.
I realy prefer the first option. Its that method that has a firm scientific foundation(thats how the best weightlifters has done for along while now. Its all based on soviet research). Its (simplifying alot) the foundation of westside aswell.
The bulgarian weightlifters workout 3 times each and every day.
I think its funny that HIT followers always screams and shouts that volume training only works for the geneticly gifted. Going to failure is the most overestimated thing ever.
Like bill pearl(I think it was him atleast) said. Training to failure teaches your body to fail.
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11-14-2005, 04:14 PM #36Originally Posted by johan
j\k ill look into it
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11-14-2005, 04:49 PM #37
if it works for you great, but for my goals and needs it does nothing... just doesnt put mass on me as well
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