How many sets for lats, traps

I have been doing 12-16 sets for lats, and the same for traps and am thinking that this is not needed. How many sets is good for your lats, and for your traps? Think 9 for each is okay?

Lately, I have been doing 9 sets of lats, and 9 sets of traps, then 4-5 sets of deads.

Each set is aimed to make it to 8 reps, barely.

How could I make this better?

I do bb bentover rows 3 sets
t-bar row, 3 sets
pullups 3 sets

upright rows..narrow grip 3 sets
hammerstrength trap machine 3 sets
seated pulley row (is this for the traps, or strictly the lats?) 3 sets

Then at the end, I do deads. been doing 3-4 sets of 5-8 and then a set of 2-3.

I just started doing this last week and am used to doin so much more. I just want to make sure that I am doing enough. :lift:

I don't see deadlifts bro. I don't even do shrugs anymore because of the growth I get from deadlifts

My back day
1 set- Wide grip chin
6 sets- Deadlift(2 warm up)
3 sets- Chest supported dumbell row
4 sets- Bent over row
1 set- wide grip chin
4 sets- T-bar

My bad bro, you have deads at the bottom. In that case, I would do deads first.

You have three major power excercises for growing. Bench, Squat, and deads, You don't do bench or squat last do you?

Deadlifts are the mainstaple of my workout. I stopped working traps a long time ago and they grew way better from just deadlifts.

4 sets of Chins - Every set I change width position
4 sets Bent Over Rows
4 Sets T-bar Rows or DB Rows or Seated Cable Rows
3 Sets DB or Straight Bar Pull overs
4 sets Deads

When I train traps I do them with shoulders and do like 3 to 4 sets

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Originally Posted by Pheedno

My bad bro, you have deads at the bottom. In that case, I would do deads first.

You have three major power excercises for growing. Bench, Squat, and deads, You don't do bench or squat last do you?

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The reason I do Deads last is because they KICK my ass!! :lol: I think if I did them first the rest of my workout would be shit! They really hit those 2 muscles that go down the middle/center of your lower back. I think they are the erector spine or something like that.

So it looks like, from what you guys are saying, that I could do a little more than what I listed for my lats, and a little less for my traps?

I always liked to do my traps, I want that back that is very defined when I get cut. Speaking of cut, I'm off to cardio land.....cardio is great when you whacked on xenadrines!!!! :eek: I feel like I could Jog all day long!
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