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    Guys I need some advice about my shoulder!!

    Ok here is the info. Everytime I bench press I dont exactly have pain in my left shoulder but it's more of a burning sore feeling. It gets aggravated by heavier weight and even if I do a lot of reps with a light weight I sometimes get the same result. Also I'm very unpredictable with chest I may have a good set and then when I go heavier I may go to total muscle failure in one shot. Also when I press and if i'm tired the last inch or two that I come down to my chest for the rep I sometimes completely collapse. It always seems the weight gets 20 times heavier the last inch. Also I should have mentioned this earlier but I also have a clicking in my shoulder. If i turn my arm like a windmill it clicks everytime. Flies hurt the shoulder even more and I cant do them free weight. Also when i bench I have to turn my shoulder a little as the weight comes down because it almost feels impossible to come down safely if i dont. It use to click with free weight rows but the clicking actually stopped.

    Do any of you bro's experience the same problem or have experienced it? I dont want to get an MRI because I'm going to the police academy and I may have to turn over my medical records to them and I'll be disqualified for this. Just need some advice from anyone who has an idea what i'm talking about.....thanks all.

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    id say go to a physician and get an ex-ray it might be that your rotation cup is damaged. See a doctor about it

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    I did actually see a doctor and got x-rays but they came up negative and he said he could see nothing wrong with it.

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    maybe you are running low on joint fluids well i dont know man let me do little more research got great book on injuries and pain here

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    ok this is what i got

    Shoulder injuries are relatively common among bodybuilders. Heavy Bench Press, Dumbbell presses, and shoulder presses put a particularly high degree of stress on the shoulders.
    Heave stress can cause partial tearing of the rotator cuff. It is also possible to overstress any part of the three heads of the deltoids or their tendons of insertion or origin.
    Another possible problemin the shoulder area is subdeltoid bursitis. A bursa is a closed cavity in the connective tissue between a tendon and an adjacent bone that move relative to one another. It provedes a lubricated surface so that the tendon can glide directl ovet he periosteum of a bone. Bursitis is an inlammatory condition in which a bursa is not able to do its job and movement in the area causes pain and difficulty. And the way to deal with that is with extensive vitamin supplementation, treatment by a chiropractor, and a light training until it healed.
    Biceptial tendinitis is another common shoulder problem in which the biceps tendon working back and forth gets inflamed because of the stress and friction. Medications such as corisone are frequenly indicated in treatment of shoulder injuries such as this.
    In the even of shoulder injury, it is sometimes possile to do shoulder excercises at different angles Bent Over Laterals instead of front presses for exmaple to work the rear head instead of the front one or to simply use the flushing method and hold heavy dumbbells out to the side which will keep the deltoids toned and firm prior to contest.

    Alright this is it ill do some reasearch on chest muscle because it might be involved too

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    Quote Originally Posted by USfighterFC
    Ok here is the info. Everytime I bench press I dont exactly have pain in my left shoulder but it's more of a burning sore feeling. It gets aggravated by heavier weight and even if I do a lot of reps with a light weight I sometimes get the same result. Also I'm very unpredictable with chest I may have a good set and then when I go heavier I may go to total muscle failure in one shot. Also when I press and if i'm tired the last inch or two that I come down to my chest for the rep I sometimes completely collapse. It always seems the weight gets 20 times heavier the last inch. Also I should have mentioned this earlier but I also have a clicking in my shoulder. If i turn my arm like a windmill it clicks everytime. Flies hurt the shoulder even more and I cant do them free weight. Also when i bench I have to turn my shoulder a little as the weight comes down because it almost feels impossible to come down safely if i dont. It use to click with free weight rows but the clicking actually stopped.

    Do any of you bro's experience the same problem or have experienced it? I dont want to get an MRI because I'm going to the police academy and I may have to turn over my medical records to them and I'll be disqualified for this. Just need some advice from anyone who has an idea what i'm talking about.....thanks all.
    You described the exact same thing that has happened to me. It is my right shoulder. I know all too well the pain you mentioned.
    Here are a couple more questions for you.
    What about incline...does it hurt then?
    How about Military presses?
    Is it much weaker on side laterals?
    How about preacher curls?
    How does it feel when you do standing rows?
    If you were to get up from the floor, could you push off the floor with your left side...supporting your body weight? How badly would it hurt?

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    <<<You described the exact same thing that has happened to me. It is my right shoulder. I know all too well the pain you mentioned.
    Here are a couple more questions for you.
    What about incline...does it hurt then?
    How about Military presses?
    Is it much weaker on side laterals?
    How about preacher curls?
    How does it feel when you do standing rows?
    If you were to get up from the floor, could you push off the floor with your left side...supporting your body weight? How badly would it hurt?>>>

    First off a bump for my bud 50%animal for doing some diggin for me thanks for the help bro. I see you typed all of that man.
    It hurts the most on incline. Flat is a little better and decline doesnt bug me.
    Military presses use to make me uncomfortable but I dont have pain but I am considerably weaker with this exercise than others.
    I can go heavy on rows I use to not be able to and my arm would click alot but that seems to have stopped.
    Preacher Curls I have no pain or problem with. It's a normal exercise. Standing rows I actually never did up until a few months ago but that was after the problem ceased with the regular rows.
    About getting off the floor I'm not sure to be honest I've never really noticed but next time I will see what develops. Dips use to hurt real bad but the pain from that has also left. Flies are the only exercise were the real pain will come and just in the left shoulder. But like you said it's the soreness with the bench. What did you end up doing about this?

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    First...here are the differences:

    I could not use my right arm to push my body off the floor.
    Preacher curls hurt my right shoulder so bad, that the next day had to be a day off.
    Declines also hurt my shoulder the next day.
    Standing rows are brutal on the rotator cuff.
    So are inclines and heavy flat bench.

    Eventually, I could not hold a gallon of milk....scratch that..at its worst...I could not pick up a coke can laterally.

    I had plenty of physical therapy..that hardly worked. I later had surgery to remove an impengement to my rotator cuff. Sawbones also cleaned up the joint...all around it. I had (still do) a problem with both biceps tendons. One runs in front..with the front delt. The other comes over the outside of your shoulder. The doc trimmed up some frayed material on one of them.
    He then created scar tissue in the front of the joint. He said that over time with heavy weights, the joint begins to loosen up...lending to easy dislocations. He created the scar tissue to tighten up the joint. This also helped take some stress off my biceps tendons.

    I have had to change my workout to avoid anything that hurts the shoulder or those tendons. That's not entirely true...it hurts right now from yesterday's back workout. I just know what not to do to make it hurt worse.

    My recommendation to you is to start doing dumbell movements where possible. Incline bench and military for starters. Another thing to do is to force your elbows in, when you do seated rows...and focus on going slow and controling the weight 100% of the time. When I drop my elbows to my sides..my shoulder does not pop and grind with every rep.

    When you work chest or shoulders, take a little extra time in warming up the rotator cuff before excersising.

    When you get an opportunity get out of the gym for a couple of weeks and see if it will straighten out.

    Good Luck!

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    Thanks Swellin I thought my shoulder problem was bad. It seems your's is considerably worse than mine but we can relate. I hope I dont have to get surgery for this but it really isn't horrible it's just more annoying and a little painful. I'll let you know how this all goes I'm going to change my routine a little to lighten up my shoulders a little.

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    yes no problem man just trying to help out when i can

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    Honestly, yours does not sound bad enough, at this point, to require surgery. That fact does not change the amount of pain or discomfort you feel, though.
    I really suggest you getting some rest for that thing. It can progress to the point that surgery is the last option.
    SURGERY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I only had mine scoped, so it gets much worse than the problem I have. Unfortunately, that did not cure it..it just gave me the confidence to handle what I was being dealt. It did help a lot though. At least, now I know what is wrong, and I know if it is serious enough to make me stop.

    Again, mine was not that big a deal...it just hurt like hell.

    I really hope yours gets better quickly. Are you using glucosamine & condroitin? If not...get started..it takes at least 6 weeks to get anything from it...so the sooner you start it..the sooner it starts working.

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    hi there,

    sorry did not reply earlier - I am in the same situation. Cannot train chest without being very careful and picky about exercises; the same goes for bis and especially tris (puts a lot of pressure on the shoulder). The problem is the shoulder joint has so many connections: chest, back, tri, bi etc. Went to the doctors for nearly 2 and a half years now: been through cortizone x 2, biokineticist, therapist, accupuncture, and most recently consultations with the surgeon. He did normal X-Rays and ultrasound, and finally requested the big honcho of an MRI. He cocnluded that nothing is wrong (no bursitis, no slab legion, no tear etc.) The problem: scar tissue. But major, deep scar tissue. Recommendation: minor surgery to remove it. I am still debating to do it or not.

    Ask your physician to check for scar tissue- it may be the same prob.

    Hope you get better (as well as everyone with shoulder probs - they **** everything up)

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    Xenithon, I went through all of that as well. It took more than one MRI to find the very small tear in my RC. It actually took him going into the shoulder to see the degree of impingement. He cut out scar tissue that was in the joint as well.

    You brought up an excellent point about the lack of accuracy in the diagnosis. It took forever for my Orthopedist to finally decide to go in and take a look. We tried everything you mentioned but the accupuncture.
    I wish you the best of luck with your shoulder, as well.

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    You need to see a specialist about a problem in your rotator cuff. I had a very similar situation. A doctor and an x-ray won't necessarily show a problem in your rotator. There could be scar tissue there but they can test your arm at different pressures and angles to see where the problem is. An X-ray is mainly helpful if your bone structure is causing the rotator problem or there's a major tear. Basically, you're probably looking at an impingement in the shoulder. It causes sooo much pain doing a windmill and the sound or feel of a pop. The muscles in the rotator don't have room to clear and fire when you do the circular motion. It all due to swelling in the joint, possibly from fraying or tears. A specialist will be able to check all of that for you and put you on a therapy routine that will help stretch/strengthen that area or decide if you need surgery. I just finished 2 month of twice a week therapy for mine and now it feels great.
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