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12-03-2010, 01:09 AM #1New Member
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My Bloodwork and path start to finish
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I decided to try out gear. Then I realized it's complicated and high risk...or high reward depending on how it's done. It took me maybe 10-20 hours of research to feel comfortable doing a cycle. I really appreciate all the helpful knowledgeable people that post on here. Seriously--thank you so much. I'm definitely interested in advice/constructive criticism but I'm also hoping this will help some people.
In the initial research phase I talked to a lot of anti-aging doctors. Some are great. Some clearly want you on "therapy" i.e. no cycles, for the purposes of selling you greatly marked-up stuff forever. Various doctors have that same habit. Fortunately reading forums I realized at some point being on AAS without breaks likely permanently damages your ability to produce test, and also messes up the HPTAxis.
So I shopped around for local doctors instead of calling Florida and internet stuff. (if this is considered "discussing sources" please let me know and I'll take it out) As I heard the same pitches over and over and kept reading forums and biology books I got comfortable with managing the risks and getting maximum rewards. I went with a local doctor who seemed to know his stuff, didn't really seem that trustworthy, and definitely seemed like I could push him into doing my program, not his. He's about the money and I can tell. I was able to push him to order me stuff pretty easily, I was able to haggle him down on price, and when he wasn't responsive and pissed me off, he responded to my aggressive threats of reporting him, etc. and we made up and are friendly.
I now get my blood tests from walkinlabs.com and the actual lab is labcorp inc. For around $350-$400. I'll post my results below in multiple posts so I don't lose what I've written. I decided to go with hGH Omnitrope after looking at Saizen, Tevtropin, etc. I generally lost respect for anyone pushing non-bioidentical 191. My understanding is 192 is not good or safe. I looked at jintropin and other stuff, but even though it's 10% of the price, I decided the more expensive legal, legitimately prescribed domestic stuff is worth it. I'm shooting it into my subQ belly fat for crying out loud. Chinese factories are bathing their kids toys in lead, do I really think they care about shipping no-label, bulk hGH to me in the US? I also went with Test Cypionate with zinc.
The program:
So hGH (omnitrope) .5 mg or 1.5 ius/day. I started 7 days a week and then cut back to 5. It leaves your system in 4 hours so I don't have a big fear of my bodies natural hGH being shut down. I continue on this now as well.
Test Cypionate: 100mg/week largely because I wanted my first cycle to be light, but now I suspect my 2nd cycle will be only 125mg to 150mg because it was awesome with only minor sides. I often used tadalafil soft tabs (viagra like) in the past with good results, but here, my sex drive went insane. Typically I'll hook up with a girl 2-3 times in a night if I like her. That went to literally 5-8 times and I probably could have still gone more. The sex drive wained after roughly 6 weeks on it. I got a little aggressive about 2 weeks into it and a bit more after that. Overall I felt very little change in mood, and no real loss of control or anger. The gains were immediate. I went from roughly 155 to 175 in a matter of 8 weeks. Of course I suspect a ton of that is water weight, but I also lifted even more than usual since my recovery time was fantastic.
For background I've fought competitively in Muay Thai and brazilian jiu jitsu and exercised 5-15 times a week for many years. I'm 34. I have full weights at my house so working out is convenient. I have a pretty good diet, and generally do a protein shake right after working out.
I also shifted workouts to the AM on an empty stomach because my bodyfat is still more than I would like. Scale says 11%, but I think it's a touch more. But I digress. My stupid doctor told me no other medications were necessary. A week into cypionate I realized he's an idiot from reading forums and after two pretty aggressive arguments he wrote me a script for arimidex . I helped him by changing the prescription before submitting it to my the online pharmacy that got it from New Zealand. I bought 6 times what he had written so I won't have to rely on him.
I do regret letting him not give me HCG . I wanted it and he swore it was not necessary. Right near the end of my cycle--the 7th or 8th week I think I noticed my left nut shrinking, just a touch. I had examined them every week, but didn't take actual pictures or measurements, just felt them. I immediately ordered clomid without a prescription from an online pharmacy that's worked well for me in the past, and basically browbeat my doctor into sending me HCG. I now have 3 vials of 500mg. I'm debating not using them yet and haven't reconstituted them from powder form. I'm refrigerating them and my understanding is that I can keep HCG in powder for a long time (like I do with the omnitrope) and only once it's reconstituted does a roughly 30-45 day clock start and it goes bad.
So I waited 10 days after the cycle--because that's how long I read was appropriate for cypionate, and then started clomid and continued taking arimdex I think .5 mg every other day. Clomid was 100mg/day for a bit, then 50mg/day. I know people do more. I went a little lighter because i only did 100mg cypionate/week which is much lighter than many.
Now that I have the HCG do you think I should do it now? my left nut is still a tiny tiny bit smaller, but maybe it was always that way. It's not noticeable and isn't obvious whatsoever. Additionally, I'm definitely making test cause my cycle wasn't harsh, I feel great, and I've been off the cycle for roughly 5 weeks (then did 3 weeks PCT).
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12-03-2010, 01:30 AM #2New Member
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Part 2
So my plan from here is to make sure I take time off equal to the entire cycle plus the pct, plus a little extra. Then I'm definitely going to do another 8-9 week cycle at 125-150mg/week depending on how I feel test cypionate , + hcg probably starting 250ius/week around week 4-6, then continuing until the end of the cycle, and maybe slightly into pct (although it seems there's some disagreement about timing there) Your input welcomed.
I'll also do arimidex .5mg/day or eod through the entire cycle and pct. I'll also be increasing my hGH a bit as time goes by, depending on how I feel. I've had a little joint pain which I understand is common and not generally detrimental with hGH. At the end I'll do clomid and arimidex for pct just like I did this time. 100mg for a few days, then 50mg for a week or two and that's it. I'll start the clomid 10 days after I'm done with the AAS. I won't alter the hGH at all the entire time.
More background: I'm pretty good on vitamins. Upped my Vitamin D after noticing it was low in my initial blood test. I also do omegas, multi-vitamins, cumin(bio curcumin), biotin, maca, probiotics, vitamin b sublingual, glucosamine, chondroitin, krill oi., Jarrosil, milk thistle, virgin coconut oil, raw garlic periodically green tea several times a week, and tons of water. creatine when I'm exercising a ton as well. I average about 7.5 hours sleep a night with a target of 8 to 8.5. I have a high stress job and life and a pretty active sex life with 2-4 partners a month or so--with full protection 100% of the time--only because I feel the comment coming
I'm watching my DHEA and DMT cause my hair is fine, but I've always had someone fine lighter hair (sandy blonde as a kid and now very light brown). I have scalp reaction to liquid minoxidil so i'll wait and see what's on the market when I actually get some thinning. I've heard it's easier to avoid it in the first place than clear it. Open to your suggestions here This is probably a good place to put up my 1st blood test which I did before going on anything at all.
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12-03-2010, 01:39 AM #3New Member
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Blood work:
The first word is the test, then a number corresponding to my test taken on 7/28/10, then the test taken 11/19 after cycle, but I was still taking some clomid I believe then my thoughts/questions.
Test 7/28/2010 11/19/2010 previous Explanation
glucose 91 will test this next time since it's on the high end of the scale
bun 13
creatinine 1.19
egfr >59
bun/creatine ratio 11
sodium 138
potassium 4.5
chloride 100
CO2 25
calcium 9.5
protein 7.5
albumin 4.8
blogulin 2.7
a/g ratio 1.8
bilirubin 0.6
alkaline phosph 58
ast 29
alt 33
cholesterol 206 On the higher end, but not concerned since I’m active and have good hdl/ldl ratio
triglycerides 97
hdl 65
vldl 19
ldl 122
ldl/hdl ratio 1.9
thyroid-tsh 2.12 2.79 32%
t4 7.4 1.27 -83% 2nd test is doing T4 free/direct. 1st isn't
t3 34
free thyroxine 2.5
igf1 163 325 99% up from omnitrope target should be around 300?
test 421 535 27% up from clomiphene (off test for more than 10 days)
free test 14.7 17.1 16%
wbc 5.5 7.3 33%
rbc 5.02 5.51 10%
hemoglobin 14.2 16 13%
hematocrit 44.3 48.7 10%
mcv 88 88 0%
mch 28.3 29 2%
mchc 32.1 32.9 2%
rdw 13.7 13.7 0%
platelets 179 200 12%
neutrophils 58 61 5%
lymphs 32 29 -9%
monocytes 8 9 13%
eos 2 1 -50%
basos 0 0 #DIV/0!
neutrophils 3.2 4.5 41%
lymphs 1.8 2.1 17%
monocytes 0.4 0.6 50%
eos absolute absolute 0.1 0.1 0%
baso absolute absolute 0 0 #DIV/0!
immature granulocyes absolute 0 0 #DIV/0!
immature grans (abs) 0 0 #DIV/0!
fsh 3.2 10.2 219% up from clomiphene (off test for more than 10 days)
LH 6.5 14.6 125% up from clomiphene (off test for more than 10 days)
Vit D 28.8 51.8 80% started taking vit d supplements daily, target is 70-80 so will double dose
estradiol 20.9 36.5 75% taking arimidex periodically--increase it?
DHEA 596.1 850.2 43% this was high naturally--any risk or reason to lower it?
PSA serum 0.5 0.5 0%
triiodothyronine free serum 2.5 -100%
sex horm binding globulum 18.5 -100%
#DIV/0!
insulin 8.3 #DIV/0!
Observations: My glucose was high enough that I think I should be watching it. I'll make sure to take it next test. When should my next blood test be given that I'll start my next cycle around end of February? Would you change anything about my planned cycle given this blood test? Need to know more to give me good advice?
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12-03-2010, 01:47 AM #4New Member
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part 4:
Oh--and the 3rd number next to the above is the amount of change in the test result for that row. Other observations: Probably need to take more Arimidex since my estradiol is up 75% and somewhat high?
My DHEA was above the normal range before I even started taking anything, and then went up another 43%! I can't find too many bad sides, but any thoughts on that? Would you do anything to mitigate?
given my naturally light hair, I will get DHT tested next time to monitor that more closely.
I definitely have not been able to shake that last bit of fat that keeps my 6 pack from being right. The rest of me is pretty ripped and I have strong abs, so it definitely seems to be a belly fat issue. I'm hoping hGH will help with that, but as I mentioned I'm also doing morning workout/cardio on an empty stomach. There's debate but people seem to agree that the body will oxidize and burn fat quicker when there is no carb fuel in the blood stream.
I do want to have kids so I plan to continue being careful as I cycle. I would also like to be bigger so I'll probably continue cutting fat in the off cycle and putting on muscle in the "on" cycle. I'm thinking of trying to do some wynstrol since i understand it's a cutter, but with some existing joint pain I'm not sure that's a good idea, and also I don't think my doctor would give it to me. He said cypionate is the only test he'll prescribe. Your thoughts?
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12-03-2010, 01:53 AM #5New Member
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Again, thanks so much for any advice, and thanks to all the guys whose posts helped me do a more safe healthy cycle. I'm happy to answer questions and give advice where I can, but one of the reasons I haven't posted more until now is that I didn't want to roll onto this forum as a true newbie acting like I know stuff 1st hand. This is my 1st cycle, with many more to come.
One of the things that convinced me to do much more research was studying the HPTA axis. It's very complicated and not really settled science in some ways. Since the testes seem to be the most vulnerable part of that system, I feel comfortable shooting the hCG described above, and clomiphene. with 8-9 weeks of 150mg max/week cypionate , that's a pretty light cycle and I suspect my pituitary and hypothalamus will bounce back without problem.
Please tell me how you might change this cycle/plan, and of course if you want to know my reasoning behind any of this just ask.
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01-29-2011, 02:57 PM #6New Member
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about to do 2nd cycle
Honestly if someone is interested in reading it, I'll journal it here...otherwise I won't. Let me know.
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