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[AliYousaf]

Hi. My first stack has arrived its exactly the same mentioned in Novice Cycle 1.. I am going to start my cycles in January around first week. I am looking forward to add as much lean mass as possible.. Have already gone through all the available help in these forum and will try to follow that.. My question..
Is it necessary to have my blood samples tested before my cycle ?
What should I be looking for in my tests ? What's the test called ??
I don't even have the slightest idea about this issue..
Would appreciate help..
Thanks.

[AliYousaf]

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[BarneyBhoy]

Hi. My first stack has arrived its exactly the same mentioned in Novice Cycle 1.. I am going to start my cycles in January around first week. I am looking forward to add as much lean mass as possible.. Have already gone through all the available help in these forum and will try to follow that.. My question..
Is it necessary to have my blood samples tested before my cycle ?
What should I be looking for in my tests ? What's the test called ??
I don't even have the slightest idea about this issue..
Would appreciate help..
Thanks.

I'm looking for the same info bud I think I'll just get tests done before during and after it can't hurt just to make sure the gears not fake make sure the levels actually change and at the end again to make sure the hormone levels go back to the way they were before I started

[AliYousaf]

Thanks for sharing info buddy.. I think I ll do that. One thing though, would much appreciate if you could let me know which tests to run.. and how to read my results. Should I consult a doctor in this case ? I ll also post my results in the right section here once done but for now I am looking for info on which tests to run before, during and after.
Thanks in advance.

[lovbyts]

These are good to read. Not sure why they are not sticky notes here.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UOGSs7_hxv8

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?347127-Interpretation-of-Free-Testosterone-Estrogen-and-Total-Testosterone-Blood-Tests#.UOGTCr_hxv8

This is what a good basic panel includes.
Description: The Hormone Panel for Males contains the following tests:
- Lipid Profile
-Complete Blood Count w/ Differential
-Estradiol, Sensitive
-Insulin Growth Factor (IGF-1)
-Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
-Testosterone (Free) , Serum (Equilibrium Ultrafiltration) With Total Testosterone
-Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA)
-Thyroid Profile

Look up Private MD Labs.

[AliYousaf]

Thanks for detailed info bro.. Much appreciated. Currently going through the info shared in those links..
Will find a private Md in my area and run the complete panel you recommended.. I am looking forward to start my cycle next week..

[lovbyts]

Thanks for detailed info bro.. Much appreciated. Currently going through the info shared in those links..
Will find a private Md in my area and run the complete panel you recommended.. I am looking forward to start my cycle next week..

Well you are being smarter than most so far by running labs 1st. Personally I also like to run labs around week 4-5 to make sure my E2 is where it should be. If your E2 is elevated your test will be low and your cycle is a wast. I tested once around week 7 and my E2 was HIGH, almost 300 so my test was only 736 when it should have been 2000+

[AliYousaf]

Thanks bro! I am just being a little cautious don't want to hit the wrong chord. I have been trying to digest that whole lot of technical info in your provided links, let me be honest most of it is still beyond my understanding.
May be once I have my reports in hand I will.
Anyways.. I visited two local labs today, for one reason or another they do not yet offer IGF-I tests in my area, however they said I could get it done in their main lab which is kind of out of my comfort zone.. Is it ok to skip that one ? Or is it a must..
Also I wanted to know if I get these tests done, when would be the right time to get another i.e during or after the cycle??

[lovbyts]

Your Free Testosterone and radiologist are the most important at this point but of course the others are good to know.

Instead of going to the labs first go to the website Private MD Labs and use them to see who is in your area. All you do is make the order online and then take it to the lab you choose and they draw your blood and your results are available in about a week online for you. Very easy.

Edit: I see you are from Pakistan, that changes everything in regards to doing the testing online. I think you will have to do it the way you are. If you can get everything done except the igf close to you I say go for it.

[AliYousaf]

Haha!! Yes I am in Pakistan and unfortunately you are right, things are a little different here. Anyways, I went to get my blood test done today.. I expected an on-the-spot test but then they realized I wasn't fasting. I wasn't actually told.. I don't know how did I miss this part. This 12 hour fast is a big thingie.. I have been on protein 7 times a day diet for over a month now. I am always high on energy and loving my endurance and lifting power in the gym.. This 12 hour fast gonna ruin this I assume. But then again I have to get those tests done. So I guess I ll be running these test some time in coming two three days during the rest day.

[lovbyts]

Fasting only effects the cholesterol I believe.

[AliYousaf]

A quickie bro.. What's E2 ?

Edit: I just found out actually pointed out by friend that It has to do with Estrodials.. I guess I need more time to read into it. :-)

Have been trying to find it on forums and especially that Abbreviation thread in one of educational stickies.. Couldn't find it.
Btw I have been into lots of research on these forums and honestly that's too much info for me. I have been reading Gyno thread repeatedly don't wanna miss out on anything before getting on my first cycle. For now I am stuck with E2 ?? :-)

[lovbyts]

Found it.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UPO5x0Hhxv8

Trust me I know it's overwelming so go slow. I have been here several years and I'm still learning daily. This site is the best you will find bar none.

As long as you are taking an AI such as liquidex at .25ml Every other day you should be fine in regards to E2

[AliYousaf]

I cannot post any more.. Looks like I have been banned or something.

[AliYousaf]

Oh the last one did go through pretty well but not this detailed one I spend time to put together for you to see and guide me.. I will try again after this post.

[AliYousaf]

Didn't work :-(

[AliYousaf]

Is there some word count limit of what?? I am sure I read the Posting Guidelines once again and edited my post according to that. But still it doesn't seem to go forth.
I didn't remove the Sticky links from this website though.. Thought it seems pretty logical as I am not linking anything outside these forums.

[lovbyts]

I'm not sure about a word count but sometimes due to low post numbers you can not post certain things such as links or words and it may be auto deleting it.

Try to post it only a couple of sentences at a time.

[AliYousaf]

Ok let me try this way.. Yo have to bear it me please.

Thanks for the link you provided Bro! i found this other thread on the forum as stickies (cant post the link) for a person noob as i am this seems to be pretty easy, though still too much of the info.
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[AliYousaf]

I can not find Liquidex. Getting Letro ( F tabs 2.5mg) is easier though but that shit is expensive.. and for what have I understood so far with the help of this other thread on the forums ( cant post the link) by the name All-you-need-to-know-about-GYNO
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[AliYousaf]

I think I'll have to start Letro prior to my actual cycle which is my very first. I have had no symptoms of progesterone Gyno or any other and I just wanna remain the same during or after the cycle.. Which is my very very first.
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[AliYousaf]

So, what I am talking about is that if I take my Letro from 0.5 mg and taper it up to 2.5 mg ED for 2-3 weeks before my cycle ( Dbol, Test Enth this is the very basic one mentioned in the newbie cycle on this website) and continue taking it during the cycle for 12 weeks and even after for two more weeks ED and then get on PCT for period mentioned in the PCT cycle I am good.. Right? Or in case if Gyno bothers me I can take it for another 2-3 weeks after PCT ends.
Man that's lots of buck on Letro alone. So far Letro alone is the most expensive shit on my cycle.. And it's a killer for sex drive too.
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[AliYousaf]

For sex drive I am trying to find something with tribulus (this specific one product by Nutrex)..I may not be able to find it where I am now and I don't know if there's any alternate to it.. Advice please..
So that's like my whole understanding so far.. Please guide me if there's anything I am missing.
Thanks much.

[AliYousaf]

Of one more thing I am also worried about Acne.. Can one get acne from this very basic kind of cycle ??? I haven't researched this subject well and hoping you could point me in some direction ..
Thanks again..

[lovbyts]

I can not find Liquidex. Getting Letro ( F tabs 2.5mg) is easier though but that shit is expensive.. and for what have I understood so far with the help of this other thread on the forums ( cant post the link) by the name All-you-need-to-know-about-GYNO
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Liquidex is available via ar-r You take this during cycle starting from day on at .25mg eod
http://www.ar-r.com/ancillaries/liqu...ml-1mg-ml.html
No worries in quality with ar-r and there are a lot of reports of bunk AI lately. Not a good thing.

I think I'll have to start Letro prior to my actual cycle which is my very first. I have had no symptoms of progesterone Gyno or any other and I just wanna remain the same during or after the cycle.. Which is my very very first.
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No letro is only to be taken during PCT starting 2 weeks after cycle OR only during cycle if gyno starts to show up and increasing the AI doesnt stop it. Taking Letro during cycle can/will decrease gains.

For sex drive I am trying to find something with tribulus (this specific one product by Nutrex)..I may not be able to find it where I am now and I don't know if there's any alternate to it.. Advice please..
So that's like my whole understanding so far.. Please guide me if there's anything I am missing.
Thanks much.

You really should not need anthing like that for a basic test cycle even with dbol. If you were running Deca also then maybe but you dont want to do that just yet. You could use Prami if you are concerned but I dont think you will need it. There is also liquid Cialis and Viaga all available fro AR-R and all with great review from all the users here. Personally I have not used those but a lot have.

Of one more thing I am also worried about Acne.. Can one get acne from this very basic kind of cycle ??? I haven't researched this subject well and hoping you could point me in some direction ..
Thanks again..

Yes you can get acne from any type of aas cycle no mater how simple, even var. Everyone's body react differently. I got some back acne my first time. 2nd time almost nothing and now only 1 or two stray pimples once in a great while. That is another good reason to not jump into things in a big way. You see a lot of kids and even adults who have some good size but also a lot of acne and scaring. That's typical with to much to soon. Give your body a chance to adjust and get use to the changes.

It's not a race or sprint. Its a marathon and you win by getting to the finish line, not by being first. To many people jump in with both feet trying to much to soon and never finish due to to many side effect. Take things slow and learn as you go and you will be MUCH happier. Diet/nutrition is always the key in growth also. No matter how much gear you take if you dont have a proper diet you wont grow. You may gain water weigh but it wont be muscle and you will loose the size faster than you gained it. Diet has to be on track before, during and after if you want to keep most of your gains.

[AliYousaf]

Thanks for sharing knowledge.. Actually, the usage of Letro prior to starting cycle was inspired by one of Stickies I found in these forums namely 'All you need to about Gyno'I ll look into that once again..
Today I visited four different pvt labs personally. None of them is conducting Estrodial Sensitve.. They only perform the simple one and that's called Estradiol. One lab called it Estradiol Simple the rest three only name them as Estradiol.. I have found that at least two of the labs have online database of All tests they can perform. I want to send you links to have a look but it doesn't seem possible in this forum. I am a bit confused I was willing to run my labs tomorrow. How can I send you the links bro.. May be I am missing something that is still there..

[lovbyts]

The one your are referring to is out dated. No one does that anymore in regards to using letro on cycle unless you are having signs of gyno and your AI is not stopping it.
Here one is called Estrogen and that's the basic one and Estradiol is the sensitive so maybe that is OK? Look at the ranges, it should be something like 3-70

[AliYousaf]

Thanks bro.. Got the PM as well.. I am going to run labs tomorrow. These are Blood Tests I am gonna run
> testosterone, total, free and Total
> TSH
> cortisol, total
> t3, free
> t4, free
> igf1
> igfbp-3
> dhea sulphate
> hemoglobin A1C
> fasting insulin
> cbc
> comprehensive metabolic panel
> lipid panal
> GGT (important liver value)
> PSA
With the exception of IGF-1. IGFBP-3
Will run Estrodial off course.
Please let me know if I should subtract any that is useless and waste of money..
Looking forward.

[lovbyts]

Sound good. When you do you might want to post it in the hrt secrion also. I notice this section does not get much activity and there are some good people over there who are quite knowledgeable in regards to bloodwork. I am only learning myself still.

[AliYousaf]

Good advice. I ll do that once I have my reports. Went to run my labs today..
Couldn't get Cortisol tests , surprisingly no where on these forums it's been mentioned that cortisol tests is an AM/PM test. Means you have to provide two blood sample once in the morning and seconds in the evening to correct measure the test result. If its this important why hasn't anyone mentioned it in any of the posts or threads ?? Anyways. Rest of the labs are done. Waiting for reports.