Tren/Prop What the heck is going on with my bloods?

**nakota2k** · 12-21-2013, 02:35 PM

This is 18 days in cycle

Tren A 75 eod
Test Prop 150 eod
Aromasin (RUI) 25mg ED
Caber .5 e3d
HCG 250iu e3d

What do these results mean? Why is my estradial so damn high? My nipples are barely sensitive, on and off most days. Sometimes puffy but nothing alarming.
Testosterone is off the charts 1500+
Estradiol 688 range 5-70

**Bonaparte** · 12-21-2013, 02:54 PM

It means that either your aromasin is totally bunk, and/or that your test or tren are (poorly) brewed from cattle pellets and contain a large amount of actual estradiol.
Oh, and you either are developing an infection from dirty gear, or you're just sick (it is flu season, after all), because your Neutrophils are high.

**nakota2k** · 12-21-2013, 04:00 PM

Interesting, I am a little sick. Can test prop have extra estradiol in it too like tren if poorly brewed? Maybe I should discontinue tren and continue prop and get new bloodwork in 2 weeks to see I it's the tren.

**nakota2k** · 12-21-2013, 04:31 PM

Double post

**nakota2k** · 12-21-2013, 04:35 PM

This is also through p r i v a t e mdlabs. Reading some other forums about them showing false positives with estrogen on tren . I've used mdlabs before on test only cycle and pre cycle with perfect results too.
http://www.e r o i d s .com/forum/ge...gy-is-the-culp

**GSXRvi6** · 12-21-2013, 04:40 PM

What labs are your Tren and Test from?

**nakota2k** · 12-21-2013, 04:57 PM

Sky pharmaceuticals / aeon labs line

**Bonaparte** · 12-21-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by nakota2k

Interesting, I am a little sick. Can test prop have extra estradiol in it too like tren if poorly brewed? Maybe I should discontinue tren and continue prop and get new bloodwork in 2 weeks to see I it's the tren.

Yes, prop and tren pellets both contain estradiol now. Most UGLs will buy actual powders (so this wouldn't be an issue), but some idiot may have tried to use pellets in a pinch.

**nakota2k** · 12-21-2013, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Yes, prop and tren pellets both contain estradiol now. Most UGLs will buy actual powders (so this wouldn't be an issue), but some idiot may have tried to use pellets in a pinch.

Thing is I don't have symptoms of high estro, still have my libido and no mood swings. Only occasional sensitive nipples which seems to be going away. The more I read it sounds like mdlabs tests for estradiol is giving false highs when users are on tren . At 688 I should be growing tits an shopping for new shoes.

**Bonaparte** · 12-21-2013, 06:31 PM

Not necessarily. Plenty of guys don't notice high e2 symptoms easily.

**anon99** · 01-15-2014, 09:07 PM

If you're not terribly symptomatic no need to chase a lab value. You're injecting testosterone and it will aromatize to estrogen. Your labs are consistent with these facts. If you develop gyno you would benefit from Nolvadex /Tamoxifen .

**GSXRvi6** · 01-15-2014, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by anon99

If you're not terribly symptomatic no need to chase a lab value. You're injecting testosterone and it will aromatize to estrogen. Your labs are consistent with these facts. If you develop gyno you would benefit from Nolvadex/Tamoxifen.

It doesn't make sense to me to wait to become symptomatic to start managing estrogen.

**anon99** · 01-17-2014, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by GSXRvi6

It doesn't make sense to me to wait to become symptomatic to start managing estrogen.

At what level will you become symptomatic? Point is no one knows. You can either stop worrying about it or take an aromatase inhibitor to lower total estradiol or tamoxifen to prevent gyno.

**GSXRvi6** · 01-18-2014, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by anon99

At what level will you become symptomatic? Point is no one knows. You can either stop worrying about it or take an aromatase inhibitor to lower total estradiol or tamoxifen to prevent gyno.

I don't know and I don't plan to ever find out, AI, SERM, Caber (with 19-nor) from day 1 and blood work at week 5 without fail.

**anon99** · 01-19-2014, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by GSXRvi6

I don't know and I don't plan to ever find out, AI, SERM, Caber (with 19-nor) from day 1 and blood work at week 5 without fail.

How's your cycle going?

**Lunk1** · 01-20-2014, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by anon99

If you're not terribly symptomatic no need to chase a lab value. You're injecting testosterone and it will aromatize to estrogen. Your labs are consistent with these facts. If you develop gyno you would benefit from Nolvadex/Tamoxifen.

This is retarded advice!

**lovbyts** · 01-20-2014, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

This is retarded advice!

100% agree. Mine has been crazy high and I didnt feel anything, no gyno, no sides.

adex does not work for me so I had to switch to liquidstane.

**GSXRvi6** · 01-20-2014, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by anon99

How's your cycle going?

Odd question, but my past ones have gone perfect, this one so far is also going perfect, but my blood work is going to verify that it's going perfect.

**anon99** · 01-20-2014, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by GSXRvi6

Odd question, but my past ones have gone perfect, this one so far is also going perfect, but my blood work is going to verify that it's going perfect.

Oh my bad assumed you were the OP by the way you responded. Lost track.

**anon99** · 01-20-2014, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

This is retarded advice!

It's actually great advice.

OP was just surprised at his lab values but expressed he is asymptomatic. Why expose to the risks of additional drugs when there's no need.

Originally Posted by lovbyts

100% agree. Mine has been crazy high and I didnt feel anything, no gyno, no sides.

adex does not work for me so I had to switch to liquidstane.

More support for not adding AI just for a high lab value.

**lovbyts** · 01-21-2014, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by anon99

It's actually great advice.

OP was just surprised at his lab values but expressed he is asymptomatic. Why expose to the risks of additional drugs when there's no need.

More support for not adding AI just for a high lab value.

NO not at all, it suppressed my test levels greatly so my gains were limited. You may not experience sides right away or during the cycle but they can develop after the cycle is over and make recovery a lot harder.

Your logic is still flawed.

**bass** · 01-21-2014, 02:26 AM

E2 at 688! I never seen or heard of E2 this high! your prostate is getting sledgehammered with that level.

**Lunk1** · 01-21-2014, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by anon99

It's actually great advice.

OP was just surprised at his lab values but expressed he is asymptomatic. Why expose to the risks of additional drugs when there's no need.

More support for not adding AI just for a high lab value.

My E2 when starting TRT was over 300. I felt nothing and had no related issues. Does that mean that an elevated estrogen level will not be taking it's toll by causing high BP, elevated RBC, thickening of the blood, prostate issues and so on? NO!!!!!!

All of these things can still be going on without being symptomatic so YES, your advice IS retarded!