too much protein?

[sepp2323]

is this possible? i work out 5-6 days a week and eat pretty healthly. my carbs a bit low atm but besides that i think im doing pretty well. egg whites, veggies, chicken, oatmeal, cottage cheese, shakes, etc. anyways i was reading and some doctors say that 200 grams is too much for a 200lb guy. please tell me im losing my mind on this one.

[200byjune]

ya i read that .5g protien per pound body is all that is needed for positive nigrogen somthing. i forgot it was a couple months ago.

[AandF6969]

is this possible? i work out 5-6 days a week and eat pretty healthly. my carbs a bit low atm but besides that i think im doing pretty well. egg whites, veggies, chicken, oatmeal, cottage cheese, shakes, etc. anyways i was reading and some doctors say that 200 grams is too much for a 200lb guy. please tell me im losing my mind on this one.

Personally I like to keep it 1.25-1.5g/lb. I think 2 is a bit overkill but some people do it. I wouldn't go below 1.25 by any means though, unless dieting for a show or something.

[lil hulk]

I would also try to keep it around 1.25 to 1.5, but i have alos read that people have uped it to 2 per lbs. and have noticed a great deal of gains off of it....but i have never tried this just read about it.

[ChuckLee]

Personally I like to keep it 1.25-1.5g/lb. I think 2 is a bit overkill but some people do it. I wouldn't go below 1.25 by any means though, unless dieting for a show or something.

Finally someone that thinks as me on this. I always see that people use a ridicolous amount of protein even if they don't need it. I see guys that weigh 180lbs and eat 400+ grams of proteins per day. I understand that proteins build muscle, but every excess in the macros is not a good deal. Plus I calculate my prots need on a lean body mass basis. Usually I do LBS (pounds) X 1.8. That's an Author Rea theory too.

CL

[novastepp]

kind of depends whether or not you're on or off cycle too. but in regard to 1g per gram of body weight, that was probably in response to a normal citizen. and what he is really saying is, if you are getting that much protein from the crap you're eating... you're eating too much crap.

[ChuckLee]

I don't think a normal citizen is eating 1gram of protein per pound of BW...at all

[novastepp]

I don't think a normal citizen is eating 1gram of protein per pound of BW...at all

exactly my point. if they are, then that's why it's a bad.

[Prada]

I calculate all my macros based on LEAN body weight. Personally I like to use 1.5/lbs fat excluded.

[novastepp]

I calculate all my macros based on LEAN body weight. Personally I like to use 1.5/lbs fat excluded.

and i think the majority of the board would agree. good point Prada

[MuscleScience]

The RDA for a healthy adult is .8 gr/kg of body weight. For active individuals the that can be increased to 1.2-1.7 gr/kg

[novastepp]

and the FDA requirement for vitamin C is higher for chimps then it is for humans.

[AandF6969]

While we're on the topic of Vitamin C, how much needs to be taken to have a diuretic effect, aka the day before a show?

[Narkissos]

Prada.. my pupil

I calculate all my macros based on LEAN body weight. Personally I like to use 1.5/lbs fat excluded.

just an fyi: for a non-shredded individual that's close to the standard 1.25gr/lb bodyweight.


For myself personally i ingest .75-1 gr per lb of bodyweight offseason.

Pre-contest, I take in 1gr per pound of LBM.

-CNS

[Narkissos]

While we're on the topic of Vitamin C, how much needs to be taken to have a diuretic effect, aka the day before a show?

Are you using the ascorbate salt or the ascorbic acid?

-CNS

[Narkissos]

The RDA for a healthy adult is .8 gr/lbs of body weight. For active individuals the that can be increased to 1.2-1.7 gr/lbs.

No... don't confuse pounds with kilograms.

The RDA for a healthy adult male is .8 per KG. i.e. per: 2.2 lbs.

-CNS

[AandF6969]

Are you using the ascorbate salt or the ascorbic acid?

-CNS

Ascorbic Acid

[Narkissos]

Ascorbic Acid

Good.

While Sodium ascorbate is better tolerated by the gastric tract... it may effect the efficiency of your sodium manipulating plan. (I'm not sure if potassium ascorbate is commercially available.. but that would be cool addition)

I'd go with 2gr of ascorbic acid every 2 hours.


-CNS

btw: Be careful not to combine vitamin C with loop diuretics. Vitamin C increases the diuretic effect of these medicines... particularly lasix.

[MuscleScience]

No... don't confuse pounds with kilograms.

The RDA for a healthy adult male is .8 per KG. i.e. per: 2.2 lbs.

-CNS

Good Catch.

[AandF6969]

Thanks bro, I'm planning on going the Diurex (otc), Dandelion, and Vit. C route.

Much obliged

[C_Bino]

Thanks bro, I'm planning on going the Diurex (otc), Dandelion, and Vit. C route.

Much obliged

I like using novo hydrazide to decrease water as well. Im not sure if it is OTC where you are but its cheap as all hell and I find works better than most supplements.

[AandF6969]

I like using novo hydrazide to decrease water as well. Im not sure if it is OTC where you are but its cheap as all hell and I find works better than most supplements.

Never heard of it... is there a particular brand name?

[Narkissos]

Thanks bro, I'm planning on going the Diurex (otc), Dandelion, and Vit. C route.

Much obliged

np mate.

Before i forget... a suggestion:

Contest Prep Questions asked and Answered: Narkissos

From 7-10 days out.. start using diuretic teas.

On top of my standard water intake, I boil up a batch of dandelion root, uva ursi, goldenseal etc. ..and drink that... more or less doubling my fluid intake, and facilitating the 'flushing' effect.

Then from about 4 days out.. I add a herbal diuretic.

I start with the lowest amount...and increase the servings as water is tapered.

Don't go overboard though.. You don't want to flatten out.

-C

[Narkissos]

Never heard of it... is there a particular brand name?

That's a thiazide-like diuretic.

I believe my email to GnJ which he forwarded to you should cover that.

-CNS

[Narkissos]

Never heard of it... is there a particular brand name?

You're in the USA..so look for it under these names: Esidrix; Hydro-chlor; Hydro-D; HydroDIURIL; Microzide; Oretic

-CNS

[Prada]

and i think the majority of the board would agree. good point Prada

Well I hope they agree but Im not sure they actually practice it.

[Prada]

Prada.. my pupil



just an fyi: for a non-shredded individual that's close to the standard 1.25gr/lb bodyweight.


For myself personally i ingest .75-1 gr per lb of bodyweight offseason.

Pre-contest, I take in 1gr per pound of LBM.

-CNS

Feed the muscles, not the fat!

Personally I find the "2gs/lb" mantra a little excessive but to each their own. Everyones is different.

[M302_Imola]

kind of depends whether or not you're on or off cycle too. but in regard to 1g per gram of body weight, that was probably in response to a normal citizen. and what he is really saying is, if you are getting that much protein from the crap you're eating... you're eating too much crap.

I agree people tend to forget what aas is ultimately about and that is increased protein synthesis. So if you are on gear why not overload (2g/lb) the body with usuable protein? Carbs and fats play an important role but when you are on the sauce protein is where it is at!

[kingfish]

I've read/heard the same about protein intake. IIRC it was anywhere between 1.5 to 2g per lb LBM. I guess it makes sense when on cycle to up the intake closer to 2g, but at what point are you beating up your kidneys with all the protein in your system? Maybe it's not a big deal for a typical cycle of, what, 10-12 weeks and then lower the amount?

[ChuckLee]

I calculate all my macros based on LEAN body weight. Personally I like to use 1.5/lbs fat excluded.

Me too, as said before. I do LBM in pounds x1.7

[ChuckLee]

This thread is going pretty weird. Usually people talk about AT LEAST 2gr per pound of bodyweight, and for what I know that is the rule for the pros, and since I'm not a pro at all, I thought to go with less proteins and this thread is giving me even more trust on my methods.
I still don't understand why people always speak about that ridicocous amount, there's no need for someone who weigh 200lbs with 20% bf to ingest 400grams of protein per day!!! NO WAY!!

CL

[M302_Imola]

This thread is going pretty weird. Usually people talk about AT LEAST 2gr per pound of bodyweight, and for what I know that is the rule for the pros, and since I'm not a pro at all, I thought to go with less proteins and this thread is giving me even more trust on my methods.
I still don't understand why people always speak about that ridicocous amount, there's no need for someone who weigh 200lbs with 20% bf to ingest 400grams of protein per day!!! NO WAY!!

CL

Well I agree! If you are 20% bf then you shouldn't be using gear anyway therefore your body can not synthesize that much protein.

[Narkissos]

Personally I find the "2gs/lb" mantra a little excessive but to each their own.

Yep. I think it's supplement company marketing ploy...and has been for years.

No doubt that athletes need more protein than sedentary people.

And, again, no doubt that the RDA is grossly inadequate.

However, 2gr/lb is overkill.

'cept where protein cycling (starvation coupled with overfeed) is being used

-CNS

[Prada]

Yep. I think it's supplement company marketing ploy...and has been for years.

No doubt that athletes need more protein than sedentary people.

And, again, no doubt that the RDA is grossly inadequate.

However, 2gr/lb is overkill.

'cept where protein cycling (starvation coupled with overfeed) is being used

-CNS

Agreed!!!

[jackjackson]

I calculate all my macros based on LEAN body mass, not my overall weight

[ChuckLee]

I calculate all my macros based on LEAN body mass, not my overall weight

As everybody should do.

CL

[Industrial]

I'm really new to these forums but not new to lifting/dieting. However recently the suggested values of the RDA as well at further literature as well as constant debating with a close friend of mine has made be question just how much protein I should be ingesting. If the RDA recommends .4-.5 grams per kilo, for non-active and a max of .9 per kilo for highly active adults (body builders included) where did this idea of pushing the protein limit come from? I have found very little evidence or documented cases of people gaining much faster than one another with different protein intake levels. From my understanding the body can only properly digest 25-35 grams of protein per serving (which makes sense when you consider most high protein foods are just lower than that number.)

I do understand that there are some health benefits to having more protein in your system but it seems that there is a limit, not to mention of overload on the kidneys.

If someone could please provide me with links and such showing why/how as well as how much more effective consuming more protein is, it would be greatly appreciated.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I am having trouble finding any straight answers that are well backed up with literature that supports such claims.

Edit: After a bit more searching, the closest artical stating such claims was this one Even there they say 1.6-2.0 grams per kilo.