An article by U.S. Army Brigadier-General (R) JAMES J. DAVID-3-1-2003

[MilitiaGuy]

Is there any criminal act that Israel can do without being protected from criticism from the United States? If there is I haven't seen it.
And I haven't seen it from the Bush Administration or from the Clinton Administration or from any administration before them. But when you consider the influence of Israel's lobby and its political action committees and the more than $41 million they've given to Congress and the White House, is it any wonder Israel is shielded from any shame?

For more than 54 years the Israelis have committed acts that no other nation would dare get away with. But even here in America, where it is not yet illegal to publicly ask the wrong questions, any public figure that does so is subjected to smears, intimidation and the attempted destruction of his career and reputation by Jewish organizations and by the very cooperative news media.

A few examples of these criminal acts committed by Israel include the treacherous attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, killing 34 American sailors and wounding another 171. There can now be no disputing that Israel knew its identity, and that the ship was in international waters and clearly marked as a U.S. Naval vessel. What was most treacherous though was not the perfidy of Israel but that of President Lyndon B. Johnson ordering the recall of the sixth fleet when he found out that the attackers were not the Arabs but the Israelis. The treasonous compliance continues today as corrupt politicians refuse to take any action against Israel and continue their efforts in hushing-up the whole affair although there seems to be a strong campaign by the Liberty survivors and other brave patriotic Americans in exposing the Israelis of their criminal attack.

Another example of Israel's callous disregard for its supposed "ally" America was the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983, which killed over 200 U.S. servicemen.

In April 1996, the Israelis attacked an U.N. refugee camp in Qana, Lebanon, and killed 103 innocent men, women and especially children.
A U.N. investigation determined the attack was intentional and stated that "while the possibility cannot be ruled out completely, the pattern of impacts in the Qana area makes it unlikely that the shelling of the United Nations compound was the result of technical and/or procedural errors." Shortly after this report the U.N. Security Council voted to condemn Israel for the attack and all nations, with the exception of the U.S., voted in favor of the resolution. In other words, intentionally slaughtering 103 civilians was not sufficient for the United States to condemn Israel. Yet, when Hezbollah attacks Israel's illegal occupation of southern Lebanon and results in the deaths of two Israeli soldiers the U.S. is first to condemn this legal resistance.

These are just a few of the criminal acts committed by the Israeli government and shielded from criticism by U.S. politicians or even reported by the controlled media.

Although September 11th brought the fight on terrorism to the front burner, it seems that the United States protects Israel from any criticism here too. An Israeli instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks. (Ha'aretz, December 20, 2002.) Is it possible that Israel had foreknowledge of the attack? Could this be the answer why many Israeli employees at the World Trade Center never showed up for work that tragic September morning? If this is the case then the fact that Israel's government had prior knowledge of the pending attack and not warned the Americans makes them as guilty as our enemy. Whatever the case, our government must make a complete and thorough investigation without any threats from Jewish and Israeli interest groups.

Shielding Israel from criticism and supporting the Jewish state no matter what crimes she commits has caused the United States the loss of respect around the world. In addition, Israel has cost American taxpayers more than $120 billion in the past 40 years. Our one-sided unbalanced Middle East policy has created the hatred of millions and the primary cause of terrorism that has landed on our own soil.

Criticizing our government's dangerous policies and its submissions to the Jewish lobby doesn't make anyone less patriotic or any less of an American. George Washington said it best when he stated that "passionate attachment to another nation produces a variety of evils...the illusion of common interests where no real common interests exist; adopting the enmities of the other; and participation in the quarrels and wars of the other without any justification. Still another evil is that such a passionate attachment gives to ambitious, corrupted or deluded citizens the facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country."

[James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.]

[inheritmylife]

You are getting much better at this M'guy.

[Rhino58]

I actually agree with a few points in there, M-guy.

[Pale Horse]

Finally a grain of truth.

[Pale Horse]

This however does not condone Muslim terrorist acts/ two wrongs don't make a right.

[Wiggum]

1victor - nothing condones a terrorist act, but that article summed up a lot of questions I've had for a long time. Never understood how the US could support Israel so much and then when the US asks Israel to do anything, they blatantly say, "No" without a flinch. It's never been a two way street.
I personally can see why the Palestianians (as a whole) are so pissed. Every bomb or tank that rips through their villages has a US signature on it. I just never understood and still don't why the US has made so many excuses for Israel's behavior.

[MilitiaGuy]

thank their is no "nuke em all " posts

[testosterone82]

Is there any criminal act that Israel can do without being protected from criticism from the United States? If there is I haven't seen it.
And I haven't seen it from the Bush Administration or from the Clinton Administration or from any administration before them. But when you consider the influence of Israel's lobby and its political action committees and the more than $41 million they've given to Congress and the White House, is it any wonder Israel is shielded from any shame?

For more than 54 years the Israelis have committed acts that no other nation would dare get away with. But even here in America, where it is not yet illegal to publicly ask the wrong questions, any public figure that does so is subjected to smears, intimidation and the attempted destruction of his career and reputation by Jewish organizations and by the very cooperative news media.

A few examples of these criminal acts committed by Israel include the treacherous attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, killing 34 American sailors and wounding another 171. There can now be no disputing that Israel knew its identity, and that the ship was in international waters and clearly marked as a U.S. Naval vessel. What was most treacherous though was not the perfidy of Israel but that of President Lyndon B. Johnson ordering the recall of the sixth fleet when he found out that the attackers were not the Arabs but the Israelis. The treasonous compliance continues today as corrupt politicians refuse to take any action against Israel and continue their efforts in hushing-up the whole affair although there seems to be a strong campaign by the Liberty survivors and other brave patriotic Americans in exposing the Israelis of their criminal attack.

Another example of Israel's callous disregard for its supposed "ally" America was the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983, which killed over 200 U.S. servicemen.

In April 1996, the Israelis attacked an U.N. refugee camp in Qana, Lebanon, and killed 103 innocent men, women and especially children.
A U.N. investigation determined the attack was intentional and stated that "while the possibility cannot be ruled out completely, the pattern of impacts in the Qana area makes it unlikely that the shelling of the United Nations compound was the result of technical and/or procedural errors." Shortly after this report the U.N. Security Council voted to condemn Israel for the attack and all nations, with the exception of the U.S., voted in favor of the resolution. In other words, intentionally slaughtering 103 civilians was not sufficient for the United States to condemn Israel. Yet, when Hezbollah attacks Israel's illegal occupation of southern Lebanon and results in the deaths of two Israeli soldiers the U.S. is first to condemn this legal resistance.

These are just a few of the criminal acts committed by the Israeli government and shielded from criticism by U.S. politicians or even reported by the controlled media.

Although September 11th brought the fight on terrorism to the front burner, it seems that the United States protects Israel from any criticism here too. An Israeli instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks. (Ha'aretz, December 20, 2002.) Is it possible that Israel had foreknowledge of the attack? Could this be the answer why many Israeli employees at the World Trade Center never showed up for work that tragic September morning? If this is the case then the fact that Israel's government had prior knowledge of the pending attack and not warned the Americans makes them as guilty as our enemy. Whatever the case, our government must make a complete and thorough investigation without any threats from Jewish and Israeli interest groups.

Shielding Israel from criticism and supporting the Jewish state no matter what crimes she commits has caused the United States the loss of respect around the world. In addition, Israel has cost American taxpayers more than $120 billion in the past 40 years. Our one-sided unbalanced Middle East policy has created the hatred of millions and the primary cause of terrorism that has landed on our own soil.

Criticizing our government's dangerous policies and its submissions to the Jewish lobby doesn't make anyone less patriotic or any less of an American. George Washington said it best when he stated that "passionate attachment to another nation produces a variety of evils...the illusion of common interests where no real common interests exist; adopting the enmities of the other; and participation in the quarrels and wars of the other without any justification. Still another evil is that such a passionate attachment gives to ambitious, corrupted or deluded citizens the facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country."

[James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.]

couldnt agree more, exellent thread !

[3Vandoo]

Poor Gen. Davis is now labelled as Nazi and anti-semitic!

[MilitiaGuy]

Poor Gen. Davis is now labelled as Nazi and anti-semitic!

IMO nazi and gestapo are angels compared to zionism and mosad

[Pale Horse]

M-Guy what was the statement that you were emphasizing by posting this? Zionist America?

[MilitiaGuy]

M-Guy what was the statement that you were emphasizing by posting this? Zionist America?

no ,not at all i just mean that zionism is the worst organizition in the world now and future will prove it more

[sp9]

IMO nazi and gestapo are angels compared to zionism and mosad

Curious Militia Guy -

So what is your solution to the "Israel problem" as you see it? What should be done with that country? What is it that would make you happy?

Please respond. Thanks!

[Pale Horse]

"What we have here is failure to communicate" Israel is the Holy land of the Jews, it is the Holy land of the Christians, and Muslims come along hundreds of years later and claim that , no........................ really it is their Holy land.

Christians and Jews share the same interest, it is that simple. Muslims do not and would like basically all non Muslims to leave or be killed.

[MilitiaGuy]

Curious Militia Guy -

So what is your solution to the "Israel problem" as you see it? What should be done with that country? What is it that would make you happy?

Please respond. Thanks!

what would make me happy if palestine get ruled by arabs only because its an arabic land and zionist stole it ,i know this will not happen by just talking to the israelis because what was taken by power will only be given by power so we will keep fighting them until we fulfill our goal...and we know we will only terminate the jews when imam mahdi apear and lead his great army into jerusalem.yea its a hard long road but its the only road to victory.

[Pale Horse]

I am not trying to be a jerk but if the USA really was controlled by the Jews we would have nuked the Palestinians by now.

[MilitiaGuy]

I am not trying to be a jerk but if the USA really was controlled by the Jews we would have nuked the Palestinians by now.

yea u have the nukes but sooner or later some muslims or arabs coutry will have those nukes 2 ,iran will have them soo i think so those nuke will be useless because if u use them we will use them 2 and it will ruin the world .So i think all the nukes are useless and no one will use them .

[Pale Horse]

I agree but what is your position on my previous statement regarding Holy land?

[MilitiaGuy]

I agree but what is your position on my previous statement regarding Holy land?

we dont want to kick all the jews or christian or kill them ,this land must be ruled by the palestinian ppl.we just want to kick out all the zionist jews.

[Pale Horse]

Please define Zionist Jews

[LM1332]

I actually agree with a few points in there.

I actualy like this post and what it has to say

[sp9]

we dont want to kick all the jews or christian or kill them ,this land must be ruled by the palestinian ppl.we just want to kick out all the zionist jews.

I like to hear your point of view since things are pretty one sided in the media here. Not saying I agree but that I like to hear what other people think and their reasoning.

I watched a documentary once about Arafat and it said that he had claimed Palestine was in Jordan. Jordan ran him out with tanks so they settled in Lebanon, Lebenon kicked him out and he went to the west Bank. Is that a historically inacurate account of Arafat's adventures?

Also. I do not understand the whole right of return issue. I know there are many arabs that are in refugee camps that want that right. Were does that originate? What is the Arab/Islamic claim to the lands in Israel? Why do they feel they have more rights to the land then Jewish people? I saw this chart on where Palestiniens are located and it also has several documents on the right of return that I just don't have time to go through right now.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...s/palindx4.htm

[AZTKWORRIOR]

Militiaguy finally!!!!!!!!!!! You see when people state facts and not propaganda, magical things happen, people aren't turned off and agreements can be reached.

[Benches505]

Sad but true....Many foreign governments lobby both our congress and white house in order to get their agenda furthered....This should be changed ASAP since it does our country much more harm than good!

M'guy brings up one very good point that should wake a few of us up...He states that "they" will soon have many nukes also and the old cold war mentality(nuke me and we all die) does not apply since the russians were not fanatics....Fanatic+Nuke= will use it no matter what!
I vote for a first strike but our politicians lack the courage and will. We will have to get hit very hard ourselves before the right guys can step up and take care of business the right way.

[Red Ketchup]

He states that "they" will soon have many nukes also and the old cold war mentality(nuke me and we all die) does not apply since the russians were not fanatics....Fanatic+Nuke= will use it no matter what!
I vote for a first strike but our politicians lack the courage and will. We will have to get hit very hard ourselves before the right guys can step up and take care of business the right way.

I hate to tell you this, but "they" already have nukes...

Remember the Pakistan - India nuclear arms race which was escalating (and the main world peace concern until 9-11), and both countries have nuclear capabilities. Pakistan is a muslim country.

Now Pakistan happens to be a "friend" of the US this week so all appears fine... for now. But never forget that both Saddam and Osama were also "friends" of the US at some time... things change awefully quick in this game.

Will Pakistan give nukes to Iran or Palestinians? I doubt it... but then again I also never imagined a handfull of Saudis (another "friend" of the US) would crash planes into the WTC and the Pentagon one day...

But the bottom line is that even without speculating about missing soviet nukes and north korea black market, we know for sure at least one Muslim nation does have nukes.

Red

[MilitiaGuy]

I like to hear your point of view since things are pretty one sided in the media here. Not saying I agree but that I like to hear what other people think and their reasoning.

I watched a documentary once about Arafat and it said that he had claimed Palestine was in Jordan. Jordan ran him out with tanks so they settled in Lebanon, Lebenon kicked him out and he went to the west Bank. Is that a historically inacurate account of Arafat's adventures?

Also. I do not understand the whole right of return issue. I know there are many arabs that are in refugee camps that want that right. Were does that originate? What is the Arab/Islamic claim to the lands in Israel? Why do they feel they have more rights to the land then Jewish people? I saw this chart on where Palestiniens are located and it also has several documents on the right of return that I just don't have time to go through right now.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...s/palindx4.htm

yea man sad but true arafat realy forgot about his cause in the past and wanted to make a state in jordan then kicked he switeched to lebanon and then in the end "amal movement" party kicked them out that why her we hate arafat i think he is a b@stard,when left lebanon he said that he will turn beirut into dust.
what we r claiming is true , this land is for arabs ,jews stole it because of the british belford promess of a holy land of the jews.

[physio_sport]

I like to hear your point of view since things are pretty one sided in the media here. Not saying I agree but that I like to hear what other people think and their reasoning.

I watched a documentary once about Arafat and it said that he had claimed Palestine was in Jordan. Jordan ran him out with tanks so they settled in Lebanon, Lebenon kicked him out and he went to the west Bank. Is that a historically inacurate account of Arafat's adventures?

Also. I do not understand the whole right of return issue. I know there are many arabs that are in refugee camps that want that right. Were does that originate? What is the Arab/Islamic claim to the lands in Israel? Why do they feel they have more rights to the land then Jewish people? I saw this chart on where Palestiniens are located and it also has several documents on the right of return that I just don't have time to go through right now.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...s/palindx4.htm

the right to return is about the palastinians wanting back thier houses,farms and land which they legally own.

back when the fighting started lots of palastinians where either kicked out of thier houses by jews , ran for safty or moved to naigbouring countries temporally.

but the houses or property contracts where never given or sold to the jews.
basically when they came back after the war there houses, farms and land where taken over by jews.

so lets say america was demilitrzied and you had no millitry and mexico came and invaded your country and you and your family ran to canida for safty and when you came back your house and land was taken over by mexicans.
and you where not allowed to have your legally owend house back or come back to america.
if you wanted your house back and wanted to come back to america that would be your "right of return"


basically when it comes down to it the zionist jews belive that isreal and the land of palestine and some other arab countries belongs to them becuase god promised them the land, and that they have the right to take the land by force expelling the non-jews becuase they want to re-create "eretz yisrael" which is greater israel which stems from the river nile(egypt) all the way to the river Euphrates(iraq) and they belive that any land inbetween the rivers belongs to the jews.

[MilitiaGuy]

Militiaguy finally!!!!!!!!!!! You see when people state facts and not propaganda, magical things happen, people aren't turned off and agreements can be reached.

thats why i dont see OGPACKIN or Singern her because they only participate in threads wher i get offended

[Slick Arrado]

I actualy like this post and what it has to say

Me too. No, I'm not anti-semitic.

[LM1332]

Not to hijact this thread but read this

Attack one American and you attack all Americans" was once proclaimed by President Clinton. More recently, an Assistant Secretary for State proclaimed that the U. S. government always protects its citizens. These are ****ed lies and meaningless words. These words were not true in 1967 (when Israel deliberately attacked the USS LIBERTY,) and unfortunately, and in spite of these beautiful words, they are not even true today. Moreover, there is no such thing as justice.
On that June day in 1967, the weather was beautiful... Clear and sunny, visibility unlimited... the LIBERTY, an elaborate state-of-the art intelligence gathering platform, was in international waters off the Gaza strip and was flying the Stars and Stripes. Israeli reconnaissance planes flew overhead for hours. Pilots and ship's crew waved to each other. Then, inexplicably, unmarked Israeli aircraft began attacking the ship.

The defenseless LIBERTY radioed for help. Two aircraft carriers in the Med responded by launching fighter aircraft. Unbelievably, they were recalled by the White House. RADM Geis, then commanding the carriers in the Sixth Fleet, called Washington personally to confirm the order. SecDef McNamara came on the line, then President Johnson. Johnson indicated to Geis that the aircraft were to be returned, that he would not have his allies embarrassed, and that he didn't care who was killed or what was done to the ship. Geis, like any good sailor, recalled the aircraft.... if you want more follow the link

http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/

[physio_sport]

I hate to tell you this, but "they" already have nukes...

Remember the Pakistan - India nuclear arms race which was escalating (and the main world peace concern until 9-11), and both countries have nuclear capabilities. Pakistan is a muslim country.

Now Pakistan happens to be a "friend" of the US this week so all appears fine... for now. But never forget that both Saddam and Osama were also "friends" of the US at some time... things change awefully quick in this game.

Will Pakistan give nukes to Iran or Palestinians? I doubt it... but then again I also never imagined a handfull of Saudis (another "friend" of the US) would crash planes into the WTC and the Pentagon one day...

But the bottom line is that even without speculating about missing soviet nukes and north korea black market, we know for sure at least one Muslim nation does have nukes.

Red

what are you trying to say that india has the right for nukes but pakistan does not?

what alot of people dont understand is that pakistan is very small in size compared to india. to destroy pakistan all you need is 1 or 2 nukes but to destory india you will need many more.

another thing that people dont under stand is that pakistan is out numbered in every way.

for every 1 pakistani soldier india has 2.
for every 1 pakistani tank india has 2 or 3.
for every 1 pakistani fighter jet india has 2 or 3.
for every 1 pakistani special forces india has 2.

the only reson why pakistan survived in the past is becuase pakistani troops where better trianned then the indian troops.

now the only thing that is basically keeping pakistan alive is the nukes.

india is trying to be a regonal superpower and pakistan is getting in its way becuase no one is taking inida seriously. think about it if france(small country) was taking on russia(big country) do you really think anyone would take russia as a serious superpower.

india is already aggressive towards nearly all its surrounding countries it already been involved in conflicts with pakistan and also with china.

why does every one think that the muslims "countries" always start the fights and are the aggressive ones, while the non-muslims always are the victims.

take a look at what indians do to muslims.

please read these links :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1850424.stm
http://www.paknews.org/letters.php?i...te1=2002-03-01
http://dawn.com/2003/09/27/top15.htm

[OGPackin]

thats why i dont see OGPACKIN or Singern her because they only participate in threads wher i get offended

U dont see me here beacuse i refuse to read anymore of ur BS, i mean posts. I am only here now because someone PM'd me. So try not to gloat to much im still here in spirit....

Now go play with a landmind willya....

OG

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[LM1332]

what are you trying to say that india has the right for nukes but pakistan does not?

what alot of people dont understand is that pakistan is very small in size compared to india. to destroy pakistan all you need is 1 or 2 nukes but to destory india you will need many more.

another thing that people dont under stand is that pakistan is out numbered in every way.

for every 1 pakistani soldier india has 2.
for every 1 pakistani tank india has 2 or 3.
for every 1 pakistani fighter jet india has 2 or 3.
for every 1 pakistani special forces india has 2.

the only reson why pakistan survived in the past is becuase pakistani troops where better trianned then the indian troops.

now the only thing that is basically keeping pakistan alive is the nukes.

india is trying to be a regonal superpower and pakistan is getting in its way becuase no one is taking inida seriously. think about it if france(small country) was taking on russia(big country) do you really think anyone would take russia as a serious superpower.

india is already aggressive towards nearly all its surrounding countries it already been involved in conflicts with pakistan and also with china.

why does every one think that the muslims "countries" always start the fights and are the aggressive ones, while the non-muslims always are the victims.

take a look at what indians do to muslims.

please read these links :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1850424.stm
http://www.paknews.org/letters.php?i...te1=2002-03-01
http://dawn.com/2003/09/27/top15.htm

Wells lets see Pakistan was harbaring al-qauda?! terrorists was in close contact with afgani regime hmm i wonder

[sp9]

So MilitiaGuy, Do Arabs that are Muslim belive in the old testament part of the bible? I guess even more specifically that part were Abraham at his wife's request slept with his Egyptian maid servant Hagar resulting in the birth of Ismael?

Isn't Abraham considered the father of all three religions, Muslim, Christian, Judaism?

And the decendents of Hagar and Ismael was the start of the Muslim population? Then Sarah had a baby named Isaac who was the basically the jewish line of decendents that the bible says God had a covenant with? Isn't it amazing that all three lines of religion start at this one point yet there is so much violence between people who are really the result of the same father, different mother's? So they are half-brothers?

[physio_sport]

Wells lets see Pakistan was harbaring al-qauda?! terrorists was in close contact with afgani regime hmm i wonder

pakistan has actually been handing al-quaida terrorist over to america and other countries.

you're saying that they had close contact with the afghan regime but america had an even closer contact with the afghan regime.

don't you remeber history you're country actually armed them back in the day.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C49498%2C00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3157366.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapc...istan.arrests/

[chicamahomico]

Nice post MGuy.

Oh yeah if I see any more of the people on AR making any anti-Israel statements I am going to call 1-800-ZIONIST and rat you out.

[BOUNCER]

Another example of Israel's callous disregard for its supposed "ally" America was the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983, which killed over 200 U.S. servicemen.
]

Get this right. The Hezbollah bombed and murdered the 254 US marines in Beirut. Why do I constantly have to correct you

[BOUNCER]

In April 1996, the Israelis attacked an U.N. refugee camp in Qana, Lebanon, and killed 103 innocent men, women and especially children.
A U.N. investigation determined the attack was intentional and stated that "while the possibility cannot be ruled out completely, the pattern of impacts in the Qana area makes it unlikely that the shelling of the United Nations compound was the result of technical and/or procedural errors." Shortly after this report the U.N. Security Council voted to condemn Israel for the attack and all nations, with the exception of the U.S., voted in favor of the resolution. In other words, intentionally slaughtering 103 civilians was not sufficient for the United States to condemn Israel.

Why not give the full story. I was serving in Lebanon at the time.

The Hezbollah were firing Katyusha rockets into Northern Galilee area's, killing innocent Israeli civilians. The IDF/IAF put a drone up over Qana and indentified the position to UNIFIL in Naqoura and asked the UN to stop the Hezbollah firing. Representations were made to Hezbollah (The firing was continuous over a few hours without retaliation from the IDF at this stage) but they refused to stop firing and instead moved the position to behind the Fijian 'RUBB HALL' were villagers were sheltering, using the villagers as human shields. When the UN failed to stop the firing, and it continued the IDF fired 5 155MM arty rounds onto the firing position. If memory serves me right, 2 rounds landed on the hall killing the innocents sheltering there. While Israel took responsiblity for the attack, bring charges against personel involved the Hezbollah took full advantage of its propaganda value of the Qana massacar (sp'ing) and continue to use villagers in South Lebanon as human shields while attacking Northern Israel.

[MilitiaGuy]

Why not give the full story. I was serving in Lebanon at the time.

The Hezbollah were firing Katyusha rockets into Northern Galilee area's, killing innocent Israeli civilians. The IDF/IAF put a drone up over Qana and indentified the position to UNIFIL in Naqoura and asked the UN to stop the Hezbollah firing. Representations were made to Hezbollah (The firing was continuous over a few hours without retaliation from the IDF at this stage) but they refused to stop firing and instead moved the position to behind the Fijian 'RUBB HALL' were villagers were sheltering, using the villagers as human shields. When the UN failed to stop the firing, and it continued the IDF fired 5 155MM arty rounds onto the firing position. If memory serves me right, 2 rounds landed on the hall killing the innocents sheltering there. While Israel took responsiblity for the attack, bring charges against personel involved the Hezbollah took full advantage of its propaganda value of the Qana massacar (sp'ing) and continue to use villagers in South Lebanon as human shields while attacking Northern Israel.

well its not my article its the article of a respected american army man James J. David .

[Red Ketchup]

what are you trying to say that india has the right for nukes but pakistan does not?

Nope, never said that... don't put words in my mouth, it's a dirty filthy habit.

I was responding to "Benches505"... he said Whey they get nukes, refering to muslims... I pointed out that Pakistan (a muslim country) in fact already has nukes.

I did not comment about the Pakistani-India nuclear arms race or fights because I am not informed enough about that situation to comment about it, and quite frankly I don't not care about it.

Red