Computers

**needmorestrength** · 11-03-2004, 11:28 AM

Hey guys.. Think I am going to build a new system.. I have an AMP 2G XP.. It makes me want to hurt people.. The motherboard's an Asus.
I am going to get a 3G P4.. not sure what chipset.. or motherboard yet? Any suggestions? Also a graphics card, need some suggestions? I am going to pimp this system out though.. go with a clear case with neon lights lol. and a nice lcd monitor.. thanx

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by needmorestrength

Hey guys.. Think I am going to build a new system.. I have an AMP 2G XP.. It makes me want to hurt people.. The motherboard's an Asus.
I am going to get a 3G P4.. not sure what chipset.. or motherboard yet? Any suggestions? Also a graphics card, need some suggestions? I am going to pimp this system out though.. go with a clear case with neon lights lol. and a nice lcd monitor.. thanx

To be honest bro, look ebay, buy a ready made machine (they are STUPID cheap) strip it down, get a new case and add what you want.

Try go for the special edition P4's, they got something like a 1mb cache, think there was an edition with a L3 cache too. Go Radeon in terms of graphics card. You COULD go for a FX5700 nvidia, and install FX5900 ULTRA firmware on it, this is what i have done... and... its AMAZING mate. Card performs just like a 5900ULTRA but with out the massive price tag! Oh RAM is important dont go for cheap crap, look for cruical etc. HDD wise you could get a SATA coz they are comin down in price now, and they are a ton cheaper. make sure the dvd writier u get it dual layer too - again these are cheap.

**TooSmall** · 11-03-2004, 12:07 PM

dont go with intel, i have a couple of them and wont switch from amd again

go with an amd 64, when the new xp comes out youll be seriously impressed
1 gig 400 mhz ddr ram
dual layer dvd burner, reasonably cheap now
i'd go with 2 80 gig drives, so 160 total, just because that way if one crashes your not totally ****ed, and you can load an operating system on each drive in case one f's up
i have a geforce4 128 mb, its alright for what i paid but you can get way better then that now
soyo dragon motherboard
audigy sound card

= pimp system

for the case i have a diablotek, full size tower
red leds run all the way down the front and the case is black
then the side panel is clear and lit up with red leds, and multiple red fans
looks sick

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by TooSmall

dont go with intel, i have a couple of them and wont switch from amd again

go with an amd 64, when the new xp comes out youll be seriously impressed
1 gig 400 mhz ddr ram
dual layer dvd burner, reasonably cheap now
i'd go with 2 80 gig drives, so 160 total, just because that way if one crashes your not totally ****ed, and you can load an operating system on each drive in case one f's up
i have a geforce4 128 mb, its alright for what i paid but you can get way better then that now
soyo dragon motherboard
audigy sound card

= pimp system

for the case i have a diablotek, full size tower
red leds run all the way down the front and the case is black
then the side panel is clear and lit up with red leds, and multiple red fans
looks sick

I bet its REAL pimp with that 64bit proc and a 32bit OS!

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 12:44 PM

Oh and by the way, the 64bit version of XP is available to download, or at least was on the Microsoft website. Beta trials are on now.

The new 64bit XP is optimized for the new 64bit Intel cpus which will be released at the same time, they will both be marketed HEAVILY with each other. How do i know this? I work for MS and marketing is in the next building to me.

**OGPackin** · 11-03-2004, 12:45 PM

Elsa make the best video cards bro.... http://www.elsa.com/EN/ I have one and its amazing!

OG

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 12:48 PM

If you really wanna look forward to something wait for "Longhorn" to be released, we have the latest betas at work and its looking very, very good. You may have to wait till the end of 2006 to see the final version though!

**arthurb999** · 11-03-2004, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

If you really wanna look forward to something wait for "Longhorn" to be released, we have the latest betas at work and its looking very, very good. You may have to wait till the end of 2006 to see the final version though!

Longhorn is the next MS OS?

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 12:57 PM

The next one to be released will be XP64 but the next completely new OS will be Longhorn, yes. It probably wont be called that though, thats its "codename" for the timebeing.

**needmorestrength** · 11-03-2004, 01:18 PM

Wow I dont have time to read all this.. but thanx for the info boyz.. I will just rebuild again in another 3 years! As for the AMD I am never running with that again.. I am sorry but I have never seen sooo many problems with an AMD.. is there any graphic cards for 150buck CA?

**PiecinItUp** · 11-03-2004, 01:31 PM

I like that codename...texas born....I have the Athlon 64 chip and its sweet, once I upgrade my memory im going to download the XP 64. Whats the absolute BEST memory to get for not to expensive...120-150 range.

**TooSmall** · 11-03-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

I bet its REAL pimp with that 64bit proc and a 32bit OS!

glad to see you can read
"when the new xp comes out youll be seriously impressed"

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by TooSmall

glad to see you can read
"when the new xp comes out youll be seriously impressed"

Thanks

Hopefully you read my posts where i stated its available for download, if you want to take a look at the performance you can. And as i said, if u want the best of XP64 wait for intels 64 chip

**DevilsDeity** · 11-03-2004, 02:10 PM

needmorestrength
check out www.cyberpowerpc.com
and just buy a system they have all that goofy , clear case , neon lights etc.... and there pc and lap tops are priced good ,
i have 3 systems from them and no problems.

**TooSmall** · 11-03-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsDeity

needmorestrength
check out www.cyberpowerpc.com
and just buy a system they have all that goofy , clear case , neon lights etc.... and there pc and lap tops are priced good ,
i have 3 systems from them and no problems.

if he builds his own he can save a lot of cash

messy: its all good man, like i said i prefer amd though

**needmorestrength** · 11-03-2004, 02:20 PM

Yea my dad's a comp whiz and can help me put it together.. Sooo much cheaper that way.. Any sugg's about lcd monitors? thanx

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by TooSmall

if he builds his own he can save a lot of cash

messy: its all good man, like i said i prefer amd though

Yea cool dont get me wrong, i have a few AMD's i like them, i have an AMD 2400 which is clocked to a 3200 and is stable.

They are great procs, but at the moment Intel have the upper hand. The most attractive thing about AMD's is the fact that they are dirt cheap too.

**PiecinItUp** · 11-03-2004, 02:59 PM

Those prices are insane at the cyberpowerpc, I just paid a dude $545 and had to use old memory and my two old dvd writer and cd writer drives

**clockworks** · 11-03-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

Oh and by the way, the 64bit version of XP is available to download, or at least was on the Microsoft website. Beta trials are on now.

The new 64bit XP is optimized for the new 64bit Intel cpus which will be released at the same time, they will both be marketed HEAVILY with each other. How do i know this? I work for MS and marketing is in the next building to me.

Whats the advantage to a 64 bit operating system besides being able to address more memory and have higher precision floating point numbers?

**Elysium** · 11-03-2004, 03:39 PM

Hey guys, why dont you just jazz up your copy of XP

Heres a screenshot of mine!

**MMC78** · 11-03-2004, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by clockworks

Whats the advantage to a 64 bit operating system besides being able to address more memory and have higher precision floating point numbers?

Certain instructions can execute better because of the larger operand space in 64 bit instructions. Overall though, nothing really.

**clockworks** · 11-03-2004, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by MMC78

Certain instructions can execute better because of the larger operand space in 64 bit instructions. Overall though, nothing really.

So 64 bit computing on the desktop is basically a marketing scam.

**TooSmall** · 11-03-2004, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by clockworks

So 64 bit computing on the desktop is basically a marketing scam.

no
some things will run a hell of a lot better on a 64 bit processor, however they will need to be slightly reprogrammed

its similar to altivec on g4 processors if you know what that is

**MMC78** · 11-03-2004, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by TooSmall

no
some things will run a hell of a lot better on a 64 bit processor, however they will need to be slightly reprogrammed

its similar to altivec on g4 processors if you know what that is

Anything involving significant scientific computation will benefit. So games, image manipulation, scientific applications, etc will run better.

Day to day browsing, spreadsheets, word processing--virtually no difference. The performance of most applications is limited by memory and I/O speed.

**decadbal** · 11-03-2004, 08:57 PM

computers are a way the gov sneaks into our homes and watchs us, takes our souls and leaves us with junk mail, internet porn...not a bad thing, and the feelin of lonelyness when u sit bottomless, ejaculated and the girl u just cyber banged, puts her clothes on, tells you it was great and leaves u will the cable bill.. whores, i think so..

**clockworks** · 11-04-2004, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by MMC78

Anything involving significant scientific computation will benefit. So games, image manipulation, scientific applications, etc will run better.

Day to day browsing, spreadsheets, word processing--virtually no difference. The performance of most applications is limited by memory and I/O speed.

Right. And even with games, most of the work is done by the graphics board, not the processor. So I still stand by my assertion that 64 bit computing on the desktop is pretty much a marketing scam.

The main benefits of 64 bit architecture are increased address space, higher precision in floating point calculations, and (according to you) certain instructions can execute better with their operands in 64 bit registers. I'm not running massive internet servers, nor am I decoding the human genome. 64 bit computing on the desktop isn't really needed, IMO.

Furthermore, all the speed increases that you see in the benchmarks when they compare 64 bit processors to 32 bit processors are all due to natrual progressions in micro processing technology. By that I mean I feel the speedup you see in the 64 bit procs doesn't come from the fact that it is 64 bit, but rather from the fact that its simply just a more modern processor.

Just my opinion on things...

**MMC78** · 11-04-2004, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by clockworks

Right. And even with games, most of the work is done by the graphics board, not the processor.

Some games require a lot of processing power for their physics engine. Also, I would expect developers to take advantage of new found idle cycles.

Furthermore, all the speed increases that you see in the benchmarks when they compare 64 bit processors to 32 bit processors are all due to natrual progressions in micro processing technology. By that I mean I feel the speedup you see in the 64 bit procs doesn't come from the fact that it is 64 bit, but rather from the fact that its simply just a more modern processor.

There is a non-trivial speedup when you allow wide instructions. It isn't all marketing bs and it isn't just a result of "other" microprocessor technology.

**** melatonin making me want to sleep. I agree with your point though. People are being misled into believing that 64 bit computing will significantly change the way they get things done on a PC. That, is patently wrong.

On the other hand, I hope it will let me "PWN m0re n00bs in a 64bit version of CS:S".

**needmorestrength** · 11-04-2004, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Decadbal

computers are a way the gov sneaks into our homes and watchs us, takes our souls and leaves us with junk mail, internet porn...not a bad thing, and the feelin of lonelyness when u sit bottomless, ejaculated and the girl u just cyber banged, puts her clothes on, tells you it was great and leaves u will the cable bill.. whores, i think so..

You are a post whore lol

**FCECC2** · 11-04-2004, 07:43 AM

is dual processing better than 64bits for multithreading?? i use a lot of 3d softwares and its freakin long to render large 3d assembly. i havnt try dual yet im on 64 bits right now.

**Elysium** · 11-04-2004, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by TRLS63

is dual processing better than 64bits for multithreading?? i use a lot of 3d softwares and its freakin long to render large 3d assembly. i havnt try dual yet im on 64 bits right now.

See what the problem would be is if the programs you use, if they are able to utilize both CPU's as most programs are not.

**arthurb999** · 11-04-2004, 12:24 PM

Where did you get that cool background?

**Elysium** · 11-04-2004, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by arthurb999

Where did you get that cool background?

Just came with some of the themes i download. Take a look at www.wincustomize.com you should find some cool ones on there

**clockworks** · 11-04-2004, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by TRLS63

is dual processing better than 64bits for multithreading.

Of course. Dual 32 bit processor machines will do better than a single 64 bit processor machine granted the speeds of the processors are all relatively the same.

Any multithreaded program should benefit from multiple processors because the OS scheduler will put separate threads on separate processors.

That being said, you will most likely not get linear speedup by adding more processors. Why? Some threads could be doing BS work while a single thread could be doing the bulk of the work. There could be syncronization issues where threads will have to wait on each other when accessing shared resources (i.e. IO, memory, etc). Also, depending on the algorithm being implemented, threads might have to wait for other threads to finish working on a segment of data before moving on.

Parallel computing is a pretty complex topic...=)

MMC78, word...I read ya.