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    Standardized Tests Racist?

    I guess the lib-labs and minority rights-groups have ruined another institution! I do not think that standardized tests are racist-some folks just want a free ride on my graciousness and tax-dollars...get a load of this! Take the test that the ACLU/NAACP types hate! Cant catch a break from the white man!

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    VIRGINIA BEACH — At least three local police departments – Chesapeake, Hampton and Newport News – use the same math exam for new recruits that the U.S. Justice Department said discriminates against black and Hispanic applicants in Virginia Beach.
    The Justice Department has been investigating Chesapeake police for possible discrimination in hiring since 2004, but City Attorney Ron Hallman said Thursday that the city has not received any notice of the inquiry’s result.
    In a letter released Wednesday, the Justice Department said Virginia Beach “engaged in a pattern or practice of discrimination” against blacks and Hispanics who applied to be police officers. The only evidence cited was results of the math exam.
    Black and Hispanic applicants in Virginia Beach fared worse than white applicants on the math portion of the National Police Officer Selection Test, according to the letter.


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    Police, fire departments in Beach probed for racial bias Quiz: Test yourself with five sample questions. Would you pass? Document: PDF file with the five sample questions - (441 KB; right-click link to save document to your computer)
    A score of 70 percent is considered passing in Virginia Beach. From 2002 to mid-2005, about 85 percent of white applicants passed the math exam, compared with 59 percent of blacks and 66 percent of Hispanics.
    Pass-fail numbers from Chesapeake are not directly comparable to Virginia Beach’s because Chesapeake requires an average of 70 percent on all four parts of the test, including math.
    On Jan. 21, Chesapeake administered its first police recruit test in two years. About 92 percent of white applicants passed the test as a whole, compared with 77 percent of blacks and 77 percent of Hispanics.
    Numbers from Hampton also are not directly comparable to Virginia Beach’s. In that city, 216 people took the written recruit test last year – including the math portion – and 9 percent failed.
    Of the 20 applicants who failed, 13 – or about 65 percent – were minorities.
    Pass-fail figures were not available Thursday from Newport News.
    In other local cities:
    nSuffolk does not use the same test as Virginia Beach.
    nNorfolk recruits do not take a math test.
    nPortsmouth police said its recruits take a math test, but it was not available for review Thursday.
    The Justice Department’s letter to Virginia Beach does not say how the math test discriminates against blacks and Hispanics; it only cites results.
    David J. Palmer, chief of the Justice Department’s employment litigation section in Washington, wrote the letter. He did not return a call Thursday seeking comment.
    Virginia Beach officials do not think the math test is biased, but they plan to try reaching an agreement with the Justice Department.
    “If we need to change something about what we are doing to make that happen and still get qualified applicants, we’ll do it,” Police Chief A.M. “Jake” Jacocks Jr. said.
    Stanard & Associates Inc. of Chicago developed the test in 1991. Company President Steve Allscheid said the company has not received any complaints about the validity of the test.
    He compared the math section to a basic eighth-grade math exam. “I don’t think it is culturally biased,” he said.
    In a 2003 study, about 94 percent of whites, 72 percent of blacks and 82 percent of Hispanics scored at least 70 percent on the math exam nationally, Allscheid said. All of those numbers are better than the pass rates in Virginia Beach.
    Henry Duchene Jr., 57, a retired deputy with the Orange County Sheriff’s Department in California, took the math test in Virginia Beach last year and passed. He said the problems could be done without a pencil and paper.
    He later decided not to join the Virginia Beach police force.
    Duchene, who is Hispanic, said, “If I did not score 99 percent, I would be disappointed. I don’t see how math can discriminate against anyone.”
    He said the Justice Department’s findings send a bad message that Hispanics cannot compete. “How much lower do you need to lower standards to give people guns to protect us?” Duchene said.
    It is not uncommon for the Justice Department to threaten police forces that do not reflect their communities racially. In at least two cases – in New York State in 1986 and Louisiana in 1996 – officials created new entrance exams to avoid costly lawsuits.
    In Louisiana, the state also created a plan that included recruiting more minorities and remedial hiring of black troopers.
    The Justice Department said it will delay suing Virginia Beach until March 7, to give the city time to negotiate a settlement.

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    This is absoluely horrible! First off, those that want this section removed are admitting that they are incapable of basic math...unable to learn...and an all around dumbass!

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    i passed the quiz whats the big deal its child mathamatics, shit you do in elememtry

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    i think thats pretty f*cking ridiculous myself. you cannot give a racial bias to a math problem.

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    The local TV station took a copy of the test and gave it to a class of 4th graders..they laughed and did not believe that it was a test to be on the police force. But when a group says that they are incapable of something as simple as this...they should not be allowed to anything but bag groceries!

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    kinda like women sueing a company, etc...a warehouse cuz they cant pass the physical test of lifting 60lb box.....saying the company isnt fair to women.... ITS ****ING LIFTING HEAVY BOXES.....STOP BITCHING....
    i think like 100 women sued for like 10 mil..... pretty ****in ghey.

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    wait a minute, so what your telling me is someone is holding the white man down

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    if they can't pass the math, i really wouldn't want them holding a gun and a badge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYouMSN
    if they can't pass the math, i really wouldn't want them holding a gun and a badge.
    statistcally...they already have the gun

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    Umm this is another issue that minor5ities or liberals are trying to use for political correctness.

    Just because minorites are LESS educated then most whites doens't mean we should purposly let in a quote of minorites to make them feel better. ESPECIALLY in law enforcement where quality matters.

    the US is like 67% WHITE, 12% black 13% hispanic.
    Not 50% black and hispanic. even tho they cry as if they were in the majority.

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    i honestly feel bad for the better black ppl who are thrown into catagories of the lesser blacks(by lesser i mean, with lower morals, education bc they drop out, not bc its unavailable, and who cause trouble) you get guys like some of the bros here who are educated, intelligent and honestly represent their ppl very well. i feel bad for them having to know there are other younger black guys who think that 50cent is cool and sellin shit, or ste****g shit is the way go to.. all black ppl arnt illiterate thieves.... usually the ones who arnt, other black ppl ostracize and make fun of.. i dont know where i was going now that im almost there so im done for now..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by decadbal
    statistcally...they already have the gun
    i guess we're all doomed then.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unoid
    Umm this is another issue that minor5ities or liberals are trying to use for political correctness.

    Just because minorites are LESS educated then most whites doens't mean we should purposly let in a quote of minorites to make them feel better. ESPECIALLY in law enforcement where quality matters.

    the US is like 67% WHITE, 12% black 13% hispanic.
    Not 50% black and hispanic. even tho they cry as if they were in the majority.
    OMG, you're stupid.

    First of all, if the US Justice Department is calling it racist, doesn't this mean your own white conservative party representatives are calling it racist. If I remember correctly, George Bush was president in 2004.

    I agree that there should be standardized tests and the concept of test is not racist at all. I think these tests for law enforcement should be pretty thorough, but in all honesty, who sets the criteria for what a law enforcement office should be should not be able to do. I guess I have to do more research in that area before I an answer that but a test that is said to intentionally discriminate would have to ... well engineered for that to be the case. Quality people in to law enforcement though. You know how many dumbass cops I have to deal with on a daily basis that can't add, subtract, and multiply, and don't get me started on exponents. Gosh, throw an order of operations problem at a cop when you're pulled over for a DUI and chances are you'll get off scott free. This is behavior I've noted from white cops, not blacks.

    Geez, give me a break. Minorities less educated than most whites and letting them in to make them feel better where quality matters in law enforcement?

    You'll have to give me some stats on the minorities being less educated than most whites and if this is indeed the case, you've just pretty much stated that there is indeed some racist system preventing minorities from being WAY less educated than whites. Just ...

    I don't know what to tell you. Rephrase your post or something. I don't want to get on to your last statement.
    Last edited by miked512; 02-11-2006 at 12:04 PM.

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    u all got ur panties up in a bunch.... but not me....CUZ I HAD CRAZY WILD KINKY SEX WITH DECA LASTNIGHT......

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    You'll have to give me some stats on the minorities being less educated than most whites and if this is indeed the case, you've just pretty much stated that there is indeed some racist system preventing minorities from being WAY less educated than whites. Just ...
    you want stats? read the freaking article. it would be ignoratn to assume that all racial groups are this way, but that article states that a lower npercentage of hispanics and blacks can pass than whites. if your school is in a slummy ass, ghetto type neighborhood, chances are you arent getting a great education. say whatever you want about how it ends up that way. i am in no way racist but when inner city schools are predominantly black and hispanic, and then they dont do well in education, how is that the fault of anybody but the people who live there?and please dont try to say that there is anyway a freaking math test can be racist, it is truly not possible.

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    well its only fair that stupid people get a shot at beeing a cop aswell

    Acctualy in these politicaly correct times I think its only fair if each employer is required to hire some people with less than ideal iq's. With all the free representation stupid people get from Bush it would not be a lost cause.
    They could print posters with the text

    "A dummy can be president so why cant a retard be a nuclear engineer?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by decadbal
    statistcally...they already have the gun


    as long as they can count bullets, right Deca

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked512
    OMG, you're stupid.

    First of all, if the US Justice Department is calling it racist, doesn't this mean your own white conservative party representatives are calling it racist. If I remember correctly, George Bush was president in 2004.

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    Yes, GW was elected President..he works at the White House @ 1600 Pennsylvania ave NW,the DOJ is over at 955 Pennsylvania ave NW..two seperate Branches of Government, a totally different office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal Cracker
    Yes, GW was elected President..he works at the White House @ 1600 Pennsylvania ave NW,the DOJ is over at 955 Pennsylvania ave NW..two seperate Branches of Government, a totally different office.
    The DOJ is considered a bureacracy headed by the Attorney General. This fits under the executive branch of government, not the juidicial.

    The Department of Justice has nothing to do with how the courts are run. They bring cases into the courts.

    I know its kinda confusing sometimes but its an honest mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmya73
    you want stats? read the freaking article. it would be ignoratn to assume that all racial groups are this way, but that article states that a lower npercentage of hispanics and blacks can pass than whites. if your school is in a slummy ass, ghetto type neighborhood, chances are you arent getting a great education. say whatever you want about how it ends up that way. i am in no way racist but when inner city schools are predominantly black and hispanic, and then they dont do well in education, how is that the fault of anybody but the people who live there?and please dont try to say that there is anyway a freaking math test can be racist, it is truly not possible.
    There is no way a math test can be racist from my point of view. I'd like to see what the DOJ's conclusion is though actually.

    The article only talk about the percentages failing and passing the test. It doesn't address the statement of Unoid's about one group being less educated than another.

    That is all.

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    universal language

    Quote Originally Posted by miked512
    There is no way a math test can be racist from my point of view. I'd like to see what the DOJ's conclusion is though actually.

    I agree, math is the universal language. Either you know it or you do not. There is no ebonic math. BTW, Satan is the President of the ACLU.

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    Classic liberal ****ing bullshit...if the stupid ****s can't pass that then they don't deserve to live let alone be hired on as a police officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decadbal
    i feel bad for them having to know there are other younger black guys who think that 50cent is cool and sellin shit, or ste****g shit is the way go to..

    They feed off that shit, and there are some white wannabes that like that garbage by 50 cent and think pimping is cool etc...

    There people are an bsolute waste of oxygen IMO.

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    No doubt, that being in love with that fragmented-Yo MTV Rap video culture has caused this socio-economic group to fall behind the rest of the human race, but why does whitey allow it?!!

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