Serious Advice Needed - Packing Heat

[usualsuspect]

Recently made the decision to take over my father's company. Unfortunately one of our major clients, are located in perhaps one of the worst neigborhoods in the country - Camden, New Jersey. The apartment complex we serve is an open drug market, loitered with 15 yr old gangstar thugs (called "hoppers") hanging out on the corner hustling as cars drive in and out like a Mc'Donald's drive-thru. Although most of them know our faces by now, we try to avoid eye contact when we past them, staying "focused" on our job and looking like "we really don't care what your doing, we're just here to do our job" attitude. But like white boys at a Million Man March, we certainly stand out like a sore thumb.

So here's my question for you. If you were me, would you carry a concealed weapon on you only when you went there?? Keep in mind, I have a license in DE but not NJ. From what I heard it is almost impossible to get a license in NJ, let alone the carrying permit. Would you pack heat in this situation? And if I'm not mistaken it is a felony if caught carrying a gun without a permit.

[SwoleCat]

I wouldn't, no.

Packing heat doesn't assure you won't get shot in a shoot-out, those kinds of thugs don't give a f*ck.

I wouldn't go there in the first place, not sure what job would have you walking through such a complex in the first place.

~SC~

[cb25]

good advice i was once given...don't carry unless you're prepared to use it at any time. just having it isn't going to be a deterrent to them. if they find out you have it...it's just going to escalate things IMO.

[Anabolios]

what the hell kind of job do you have?

and i think camden,new jersey is the #1 most dangerous city in america...mine is up in the top twenty but im fine

camden was on mtv about guns and shit...people are out of their mind there

dont carry a gun IMHO

[usualsuspect]

Thanks for the advice guys. Believe me, if I didn't have to go there, I most definately wouldn't. Unfortunately part of the deal included working in the business from the ground up and learning all aspects of it. So until the time comes when I run the show and can delegate work, I have to pay my dues and deal with the dangerous work conditions. I'm praying that day comes soon.

[DamnYouMSN]

....so what type of stuff are you moving?

[decadbal]

id not go with a firearm... if u pull your certain to die... id think so atleast, if they just jack you, or whatever, then your alteast alive... but if you knuckle up then they will for sure do something... if your jus working, i dont think they would bother you, they havint yet?

[usualsuspect]

By the way, we run a big pest control company. On one hand it really sucks we have to work in such a dangerous place, but on the other hand the money is really good, we'll always have work and the money guaranteed by the gov't (Section 8 housing).

[SVTMuscle*]

who is your father Tony Montana?


and your scared of 15 yr olds?


ah your post beat mine*

[usualsuspect]

I think I'll heed everyone's advice and keep my toys at home. We'll just continue doing our thing and get in and out as fast as possible. Hopefully, I won't have to deal with this shit for much longer....

[decadbal]

who is your father Tony Montana?


and your scared of 15 yr olds?


ah your post beat mine*

lol i doubt you have any real hardass ghetto heros in mass, so its safe to say your out of your element donnie

[Myka]

move...

[SVTMuscle*]

lol i doubt you have any real hardass ghetto heros in mass, so its safe to say your out of your element donnie

yeah i live in a neighborhood where the smallest house is $350,000. and went to private schools my whole life so i havnt exactly had a "hard-knock life" where I need to worry about such things haha

[steve0]

my uncle lives in ong Island and when he goes to th city or NJ, he packs a .45 cal, he says you never know hwta your gonna run into around these parts, if it makes you feel safer i say go for it

[Animal Cracker]

Pack heat- let project a strong image...if ever given a reason, blast those crack-heads and everyone that looks like them.

[Animal Cracker]

Of course, get licensed to carry...whatever that entails in your area.

[taiboxa]

u need a ninja sword.. and throwing stars!
but once u learn to shoot a fireball u wont need the above...

on the real world i wouldnt carry any such thing since it will only bring u more trouble than u would attract normally

[Tren Bull]

u need a ninja sword.. and throwing stars!
but once u learn to shoot a fireball u wont need the above...

on the real world i wouldnt carry any such thing since it will only bring u more trouble than u would attract normally

haha yea, i bet throwing a fireball at someone would catch them off guard

[Hard Head]

Do not, or maybe DO NOT carry a firearm unless you are licensed to do so AND are prepared to use it with lethal force. Remember that dead men tell no tales.

Now, some more good news. Most ghetto folk are probably afraid of you. Why, you ask? Because they have no idea if the chemicals that you carry in your spray container are lethal or just agua. What if you sprayed them in the face with some aldrin, chlordane, DDT, dieldrin, endrin, ethylene dibromide, heptachlor or some Cyanazine, etc. You might end up jacked, but nobody is gonna just up and shoot the exterminator to earn some stripes. They need you to spray their nasty vermin infested tenements so that no one gets carried off at night by roaches/rats. I'd suggest that you not skimp on the chemicals so that your treatments are effective, that will endear you to the locals because you are doing a good job and killing the vermin.

[Theatrix]

I'm not to far from Camden and find myself in situations where I must go myself. I avoid it like the plague. If I had the need to actually do work there I would not think twice about carrying. But like others have said, you have to be absolutly prepared to use it or it will not help you, just get you killed.
And by the way, 15 y/o kids scare me the most because they will pull the trigger and not think twice about it.

[GQ-Bouncer]

just make sure you have the hi capacity of a 9mm
(j/k its a carry on joke from another thread)

Using the term "packing heat", and comming on the internet asking people to give you advice about gangmembers, leads me to believe you dont have alot of "street" experience (god i sound like a dork)

anyways, i would suggest you make friends with them, treat them as equals etc. there's so many complexities and suttle things you need to do in order to have street-respect - i won't get into it. If they sell drugs, go buy a bunch of weed off them, that way they'll consider you a "client" and you'll be protected.

[usualsuspect]

GQ - you're absolutely right, I have zero "street" experience. Nor do I care too. I'm a regular guy trying to earn a legit living. Street respect doesn't mean shit to me. I have no plans to become a street hustling dealer. Make friends with these guys?? Not a bad idea, but then again not very likely. Although the kids probably have the education level of a 2nd grader, they're certainly not stupid. If I try to make conversation or buy a bag from them...they'll either think something is up or that I'm a snitch. I think I'm better off just saying "what's up" to them and carry on with my job. In-and-out. The "I don't see nothing, nor do I care" attitude.

By the way, driving through such a poor, crime-ridden place like Camden is nothing like working there and walking around on foot. Unless you have experienced it for yourself and been there, you really don't understand. One day I would really love to take some of the young want-to-be gangstar, street thug suburban kids that I see at the mall and drop them off in one of these neighborhoods. I'd bet it straigten their asses up right away. They'll forget how tough they are in seconds.

[GQ-Bouncer]

GQ - you're absolutely right, I have zero "street" experience. Nor do I care too. I'm a regular guy trying to earn a legit living. Street respect doesn't mean shit to me. I have no plans to become a street hustling dealer. Make friends with these guys?? Not a bad idea, but then again not very likely. Although the kids probably have the education level of a 2nd grader, they're certainly not stupid. If I try to make conversation or worse yet, buy a bag from them...they think something is up or I'm a snitch. I think I'm better off just saying "what's up" to them and carry on with my job. In-and-out. "I don't see nothing, nor do I care" attitude.

Yup, keep it casual so everyone knows and likes you

theres gotta be older guys there who are in charge of 'distribution' (not just pedalling). After you ident those guys, just keep the 'buying product' option open, that way if you ever have a problem you can take it to the dealer and he'll take care of it (like if the kids are hassling you or whatever) - just make sure it's a big buy for a 'party' or something, like 500$ - in this way, you are considered an asset customer

I wouldn't carry a pistol brutha, first off, taking life is something you can't hesistate about, there should never be a negotiation in your mind wieghing the probability balance whether you can escape your not. Once you pull it, you use it. Then you go to jail for manslaughter (if your lucky) and the bussiness crumbles.

[decadbal]

befriending them isnt at all what id do..

[lowstace]

Pack Heat Always

[lowstace]

in state out of state shot 1st ask questions last

[lowstace]

on the real though in my dept. we dont arrest people from out of state if they have a premit from near by state and they dont seem like dicks.

[Animal Cracker]

I did some research, NJ is a difficult place to get a concealed carry permit, but it is not impossible. Take the NJ Dept of Criminal Justice approved CC course, get a permit and legally pack!

[lowstace]

def do not buy weed from them...you will be arrest for that...most cops hate drug dealers and drug user more any thing else

[lowstace]

no way are you gunna get a premit in NJ even I cant get a premit there

[usualsuspect]

GQ, I see what you are saying about getting on their good side. Another one of our other clients on the other side of town is in a real bad neighborhood as well. Unlike the 15 yr gangtar punks though, these other guys run a very tight ship. The last thing they want is negative attention to their business. Whenever we go there, we go out of our way to shake hands with the big guy and make a little friendly conversation. He's gotten to know and trust us. It makes it so much easier to go there now.

But the other place with the 15 yr kids, they just don't care. Like someone said above, they wouldn't think twice before pulling the trigger. Not at us, but someone else. That's what worries me. These kids have absolutely no respect for anyone, except their subordinates.

[usualsuspect]

no way are you gunna get a premit in NJ even I cant get a premit there

your saying you're a cop, and you can't even get a carrying permit?

Are there any legal loopholes around this that you know of?

[Dukkit]

I lived in Philly for many years up until 4 months ago. A few years ago before cleaning my act up I used to be one of those cars that you refer to as driving in and out of a McDonalds. I used to go to Camden all the time to get my drugs. Dont bring a gun (if you dont have the proper paper work) first off... way to many risks. Second if you dont feel safe that is completly understandable. If you are going to be in Camden for many many months then maybe look into getting a permit through NJ. If you dont go that route. just dont make eye contact in a manner of staring. Dont act scared or nervous... Those kids see that. Just go do your business. Get in. Get out. They wont bother you... they are worried about their business just like you are. They need to take care of their customers so that they can survive. As long as you dont mess with their clientel you should be okay. Get out of the car with confidence. But not cockyness. Act like your their for a purpose (which you are) If you just act cool and dont worry to much about it you will be fine. This is coming from a white guy who when he was younger he would be walking those same streets looking for a fix. Ive been shot at and chased and mugged and beaten. All cuz I deserved it. You dont... so dont sweat it. Good luck.

[lowstace]

yeah bro NJ is very hard to get a premit they do not honor Pa premits just go strap have it conceal;ed well...ps not to stero type if you are humble hard working guy the cops will not bust your balls..if you are just trying to cover your ass philly and camden are horrible areas to be in...

[lowstace]

honestly you are right it is the 15-17 year old kids who the most crazy they will kill over nothing just think the way you used to act in high school time 25 with no future either bro

[usualsuspect]

They need to take care of their customers so that they can survive.

That is what I keep reminding myself. We're all just trying to survive and thrive. Whether illegal or legal. I really resonate with what you said too...I try to keep my head up at all times (look confident) and just go about my business as usual. Anyway, thanks for the post bro and helping to ease my fear.

[usualsuspect]

honestly you are right it is the 15-17 year old kids who the most crazy they will kill over nothing just think the way you used to act in high school time 25 with no future either bro

yeah, thats why I wrote this post. These crazy young bucks scare the shit of me. Trust me, I can hold my own too. Unforunately, it only came in handy 10 yrs ago when I was in high school. It all goes out the window now, ya know.

[lowstace]

you will be fine man...hang in man it will pay off in the long run

[thegodfather]

Ok i live about 15 minutes outside of Camden in the suburbs...to give you an idea of how different a 15 minute ride is. I live in a half million dollar home, and you cant even buy a shit hole around here for under 300k. Now, my mom has worked in Camden for about 12 years now. There are some parts of that city that even the police do not go at night time. Not sure if you're familiar with Ablet Village? Well, its an asbolute war zone bro. I've been to some of the worst parts of that city. Also to the above guy who said he use to purchase drugs in there, what set did you visit, Im guessing Morgan Blvd. I also have a buddy who is a bounty hunter and his main area of work is Camden. I couldn't imagine for one minute having to be on foot in some of the worst areas of Camden. Suprisingly at the moment, North Philadelphia is much worse than Camden. There have been 34 murders in 37 days since the New Year. Thats almost a murder per day. These people live in a different world than you and I, literally. You can purchase bullet proof vests online, Id at least look into getting one of those, only because people in that area just like to pop off rounds for fun, so in case you're hit by a stray you have a good chance, you should also know that bullet proof vests are also illegal. If you can become licensed as a private investigator, you can get a CCW permit in NJ. If you're going to work here for a very long time, it might be worth the time just so you can have the permit. If you're caught with an illegal firearm in New Jersey, I believe it is a 5 year mandatory sentence.

[taiboxa]

haha yea, i bet throwing a fireball at someone would catch them off guard

yes it would.. but the hadooken sounds gives it away before u even fire it

so when u shoot ur fire ball i always fallow it up w/ a hurricane kick THAT always gets them!