Please say a prayer for my friends wife and kids....

**hoss827** · 03-19-2006, 05:40 PM

A good bro of mine has fallen.......death really must fly on swift wings.........

Kevin Payne, lived across the street from me....he was a boxer who I talked to now and then and he was always a good guy.......he had a wife and kids.....

Last night he was fighting in my town for a title, as a lightweight....and he won...and if he won his fight, which he did he was going to be on HBO to fight an undefeated guy......

He won his fight last night, and at the end of the match he collapsed...didnt seem like anything too serious we all just thought it was exhaustion......

I just found out he died in the emergency room with an anyurism.....kevin was supposed to BE SOMETHING....he was one of the nicest people i've ever known.....i'm still in shock over this..its just hard to believe that something can happen so unexpected.....

please say a prayer for his wife and kids....

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/loca...554007,00.html

**RuhlFreak55** · 03-19-2006, 05:44 PM

well i don't do the prayer thing but i'll send some positive energy their way for sure bro.....my grandma died the same way

**hoss827** · 03-19-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

well i don't do the prayer thing but i'll send some positive energy their way for sure bro.....my grandma died the same way

i'm not even religious myself but man.....its just so hard to take in, i mean i was talking to him yesterday and he was so full of energy and confidence before his fight..........****.

**stocky121** · 03-19-2006, 05:48 PM

i'am sorry bro

**QuieTSToRM33** · 03-19-2006, 05:53 PM

Hey hoss ......... im sorry to hear that bro .... i hope everything goes well with you, as well as his wife and kids ........ remember to embrace the positives through this tragic time and not to let the negatives bring you down.

**SwoleCat** · 03-19-2006, 06:06 PM

I never understood boxing, nor the UFC these days, with people beating others senseless.

Seems barbaric and outdated for the 21st Century. I'd like to think people would use their heads instead of their hands.

He leaves behind a family as well, those are the people who truly suffer because of senseless bullshit like this.

~SC~

**Timm1704** · 03-19-2006, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I never understood boxing, nor the UFC these days, with people beating others senseless.

Seems barbaric and outdated for the 21st Century. I'd like to think people would use their heads instead of their hands.

He leaves behind a family as well, those are the people who truly suffer because of senseless bullshit like this.

~SC~

altho i agree it isnt worth anyones life, sports like these are the most primal sports there are to mankind. if he had a passion for boxing, then its far from senseless. to most outside bodybuilding, eating healthy etc, our efforts are senseless (cant see why anyone would think living a healthy lifestyle was senseless tho, but hey, thats the general public for you i guess). sorry to hear about that hoss, just reminds us all that our time can be any time. live well, have fun, and leave a legacy. thats tragic for his wife and kids

**firmechicano831** · 03-19-2006, 06:44 PM

I just hope that he is not resting in peace and looking over his family and us.

***G-1000*** · 03-19-2006, 07:59 PM

Man that sucks.

I wish them the best.

**NYGIANTS21** · 03-19-2006, 08:27 PM

I wish them only the best......

Sorry for your loss bro,too

**USfighterFC** · 03-19-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I never understood boxing, nor the UFC these days, with people beating others senseless.

Seems barbaric and outdated for the 21st Century. I'd like to think people would use their heads instead of their hands.

He leaves behind a family as well, those are the people who truly suffer because of senseless bullshit like this.

~SC~

To me it's like a science and an art form wrapped up into one entity, both sports do have a sweet science but a brutal aspect to them. In the early UFC days it was just non-sensical violence that pitted 2 fighters with no skill to just beat each other down. Nowadays these fighters are so well cross trained amongst varying arts it's almost amazing to see how a fighter can dominate a fight when he can be on his back the whole fight. Or a pro boxer being manhandled in the UFC or Pride by a fighter who never even throws a single punch. It's not about male domination or testosterone driven ego maniacs, it's about showing who is the best in the world at what they do. Only one person has died in mixed martial arts competition EVER and that was an unsanctioned bout in Russia. In fact, for a sport that is so "brutal" it has the least fatalities among any major sport in the US. Also injuries are much less severe than that of football and even baseball. When people see blood it sets off an alarm in their head but you have to look at it as what it is. It's a cut. Nothing more. Things just seem worse than what they appear to be. Nobody wants anyone to die of course and it's sad that things like that happen but they happen in every sport and its always unfortunate and unexpected. RIP to your friend Hoss.

**hoss827** · 03-19-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I never understood boxing, nor the UFC these days, with people beating others senseless.

Seems barbaric and outdated for the 21st Century. I'd like to think people would use their heads instead of their hands.

He leaves behind a family as well, those are the people who truly suffer because of senseless bullshit like this.

~SC~

Well, this is the ****ed up thing man......

He tore this guy apart, won the match.....but he just collapsed, everyone thought he had just passed out from exhaustion......no heavy blows were dealt to his head at all from what I saw..but im guessing it was from a former fight...

**USfighterFC** · 03-19-2006, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by hoss827

Well, this is the ****ed up thing man......

He tore this guy apart, won the match.....but he just collapsed, everyone thought he had just passed out from exhaustion......no heavy blows were dealt to his head at all from what I saw..but im guessing it was from a former fight...

Usually its an accumulation of punishment that happens over the years. Some fights just push it over the edge.

**hoss827** · 03-19-2006, 10:23 PM

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/loca...554007,00.html

theres the whole article.......God i'm gonna misss this bro..

**hoss827** · 03-19-2006, 10:25 PM

****ing prick maraldo.........hes such a dirty fighter..one of the elbows/headbutts couldve done this......I didnt even think of it

**USfighterFC** · 03-19-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by hoss827

****ing prick maraldo.........hes such a dirty fighter..one of the elbows/headbutts couldve done this......I didnt even think of it

Doubtful

**Boricua Pump** · 03-19-2006, 11:36 PM

I'll for sure keep his family in mind and pray for them.

Also, not to hijack the thread, but this is directed to Swolecat's comment about the UFC? Tell me when was the last time a UFC fighter died due to injuries from a fight. . . Never. In boxing there is just no dignity in giving up, in UFC however, it's just knowing when your body is taking too much of a pounding. It's respected, as long as you put up a good fight.

**GQ-Bouncer** · 03-20-2006, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I never understood boxing, nor the UFC these days, with people beating others senseless.

Seems barbaric and outdated for the 21st Century. I'd like to think people would use their heads instead of their hands.

He leaves behind a family as well, those are the people who truly suffer because of senseless bullshit like this.

~SC~

I disagree

fighting is the oldest sport in the world, submission wrestling for example, i believe is more like "chess", with hundreds of strategies, moves & counter-moves - a tap out would be the equivalent to a "check mate"

and btw, sorry hoss that sucks

**BOUNCER** · 03-20-2006, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

well i don't do the prayer thing but i'll send some positive energy their way for sure bro.....my grandma died the same way

Your Granny was a boxer?.

**chest6** · 03-20-2006, 02:13 AM

Damn man, I am very sorry for your loss. Boxing and fighting can be pretty brutal..

**SwoleCat** · 03-20-2006, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Boricua Pump

this is directed to Swolecat's comment about the UFC? Tell me when was the last time a UFC fighter died due to injuries from a fight. . .

I have no idea, that's a non-sequitor, I don't care.

I said it was senseless, and that is my opinion.

Someone is DEAD now because of boxing/punching/head blows, so it's obvious when people tell you to "use your head" they don't mean use it to get pummeled. As well, you don't know what the future holds as far as deaths, blindness, or other serious illnesses that come about later in life because of things like this.

It may take you to lose someone close to you to view it as I do, but just viewing the sport(s) themselves is all I ever needed to realize it's pretty asssinine.

~SC~

**SwoleCat** · 03-20-2006, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer

I disagree

We are all free to agree/disagree.

Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer

fighting is the oldest sport in the world

Right, and you would think that humans would EVOLVE and learn and move on to more productive actions. This ain't the stone age anymore.

~SC~

**ManWhore** · 03-20-2006, 10:06 AM

sorry to hear about your friend, i wish his family the best.

**Mighty Joe** · 03-20-2006, 10:08 AM

As a former fighter myself I can understand how you and his family are feeling. But some of the finest people I have ever known were fighters and good ones. And ironically the most civilized!!!! Go figure!

MJ

**soo2bhuge** · 03-20-2006, 10:16 AM

sorry for your loss.

**BOUNCER** · 03-20-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I have no idea, that's a non-sequitor, I don't care.

I said it was senseless, and that is my opinion.

Someone is DEAD now because of boxing/punching/head blows, so it's obvious when people tell you to "use your head" they don't mean use it to get pummeled. As well, you don't know what the future holds as far as deaths, blindness, or other serious illnesses that come about later in life because of things like this.

It may take you to lose someone close to you to view it as I do, but just viewing the sport(s) themselves is all I ever needed to realize it's pretty asssinine.

~SC~

Ignorant people say that about bodybuilders and steroids too!.

More so actually. You have laws in America forbidding the use of steroids and some supplements, what does that say?.

**spencer** · 03-20-2006, 10:35 AM

sorry for ur news m8, i feel for u.

**cfiler** · 03-20-2006, 01:18 PM

Sorry for your friend. I wish you and his family the best.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-20-2006, 01:41 PM

Hoss when you scroll down you will see a word, this word will speak to you, this word will cause a feeling. Read it.

PEACE

**Hackamaniac** · 03-20-2006, 01:45 PM

I do pray and will pray for them hoss and I wish you the best bro.

**Chookster** · 03-20-2006, 01:56 PM

i am sorry for the loss of your friend, and will keep his family in my prayers

**hoss827** · 03-21-2006, 07:10 PM

Everyone.....thank you for the support..it means alot. The way I figure it....Kevin couldve died on his flight on the way to vegas, which is a possibility...but instead he died after winning a title match and had his hand raised.....and I figure thats the way he'd want to go down...as a champion

It's a small world.....this girl I sit next to in my English class, turns out she's Kevins niece.....we've never talked much but I found out today.....wow..

**RussianVodka** · 03-21-2006, 08:31 PM

I wish them only the best...

**Liftnainez** · 03-22-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I never understood boxing, nor the UFC these days, with people beating others senseless.

Seems barbaric and outdated for the 21st Century. I'd like to think people would use their heads instead of their hands.

He leaves behind a family as well, those are the people who truly suffer because of senseless bullshit like this.

~SC~

amen.. i never thought so much into boxing anf ufc fighting but the more i think about it , it really is pointless which gives nothing more than a bit of entertainment to the public..i guess if your into fighting its more than just entertainment (not trying to bash your sport) but i just feel when things like this happen its just a shame .. anyway i am very sorry to hear about your friend.. i send my prayers to his family..

**taiboxa** · 03-22-2006, 04:12 PM

tai boxes

and peace be w/ his family for he is in a better place now.

**Liftnainez** · 03-22-2006, 04:12 PM

i know some say its and art or science or whatever.. but theres a reason why many people cant sit through a whole match and watch it wo squirming or turning the tv off.. in the ufc fighting its alot of just pouding the shit out of the guy.. some people love it some dont.. everybody has their opinions..

**USfighterFC** · 03-22-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

i know some say its and art or science or whatever.. but theres a reason why many people cant sit through a whole match and watch it wo squirming or turning the tv off.. in the ufc fighting its alot of just pouding the shit out of the guy.. some people love it some dont.. everybody has their opinions..

Why is it people study martial arts their whole lives? Why do they devote every single ounce of energy and all their time to perfecting what they do? They compete for a reason, and its not because they love "pounding the shit out of the guy." I dont expect you to understand, but take it from this perspective. In a normal persons eyes when they look at a bodybuilder, at Mr. Olympia they say "Why do they want to get so huge for, its pointless and they're going to die from pumping all that shit in their body." (This being said by a person who really doesnt have all the knowledge to be making a judgement) But bodybuilders do it for themselves not anyone else, not to please anyone, because in their eyes they see it as something they LOVE to do and can never live without. It's the same way with people who compete in mixed martial arts, it's something they love to do.

**novicenovicen** · 03-22-2006, 04:33 PM

kind of off topic peoples................. RIP friend

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