Originally Posted by ascendant
ok, let the fun begin. for starters, injecting gear isn't actually harmful for you when monitoring your health, only orals are. i do gear and maintain a perfectly healthy lifestyle, with no negative side-effects from the gear. gear has far more benefits than it does negatives. that's just media hype. plus, i inject the gear into myself, not you. you receive no second-hand gear from being around someone taking them. if i stuck a pin in your *ss at a nighclub, i'm sure you'd say something, but you blow smoke towards a non-smoker and you don't understand why they're upset?
as far as the environment concerns, cars are something we've become dependent on for transportation. however, cigarettes are just nasty habits that people have picked up. one we do out of necessity, the other out of looking to kill yourself. you also seemed to give the impression in your above quote that since there are so many other pollutants around, that cigarette smoke doesn't really matter? yes, there are far worse pollutants than cigarette smoke, but i don't drive my car into the nightclub and make you deal with the carbon monoxide from my car while you're there. also, the more pollution we add to the environment, the more it's going to be screwed in the longrun. as it is, most environmentalists see no hope, and you seem to think as long as there's some pollutant that's worse, it's ok?
as far as justification behind saying you can find those pesticides, ammonia, etc in other forms in everyday life, that doesn't make it ok that someones exhaling it around me! the important thing to remember is that with those foods and window cleaners, i have the choice of whether i want to expose myself to those things or not. i can always wash the windows with regular water (which i do). i can also eat organic (which i also do). however, if i go to a nightclub, i have no choice but to deal with other peoples disgusting habit.
addtionally, no matter where else you get those toxins, notice how cigarettes are the only one out of all that you mentioned that will leave a disgusting smell on your entire body and clothes? now if it's such a small amount, answer that guy? plus, doesn't matter how small of an amount it is, there's a combo of a bunch of different toxins in cigs, many of which we don't even know of yet. now though there may not be much in one cigarette, you got that same stale cigarette air just sitting in clubs, and it does add up to far more toxins than any food or window cleaner would. also, i never heard of anyone getting emphysema cause of using windex too often.
as far as "whining and complaining", are you serious? cig smokers are pathetically addicted to something, making us have to deal with their addiction, and that's "whining"? next time i'm at a club, maybe i can just spit all over a smokers face? i mean, it won't do any harm to them like their cig smoke does to me, so why can't i? under your reasoning, that should be ok cause it's not harming them. again, what it comes down to is what's socially acceptable.
also, in your quote, you make it almost seem as if people shouldn't be concerned for other peoples health? is this right? well, if so, i can assure you me and you are opposites, cause i always put others ahead of myself, excluding circumstances where they're just doing something totally stupid or irresponsible. if we don't care about one another in this world, then what's the point in coexistence? you seem to be missing a connection here with "collective consciousness" and how it affects us. we're all far more connected than you'd think. i'd advise you do some research on it.
as far as what we do with our lives being none of your concern, fact is if we did something to affect the quality of your life, you certainly would be concerned. that's what you're missing. my wife goes to a club with me, and by the end of the night we have to go home cause her eyes burn cause of cigarette smoke. now how can you consider that being none of our concern when she can't even hang out at a club without smokers practically blinding her and having her eyes burn for hours afterwards cause of sensitivity to once again, a pathetic addiction?
as far as me criticizing smokers and you thinking i don't care, it does not mean i don't care about a smoker in general, just their addiction gives them one checkmark on my sh*tlist right off the bat. what concerns me more though is that they're taking everyone else around them down with them and affecting other peoples quality of living. if someone kills themselves, that was their choice and i wish them the best in the afterlife. but if they decide to shoot some other people on the way, that's where the issues comes into play, and that's metaphorically speaking exactly what smokers do everyday to the people around them.
as far as the smoke not killing non-smokers by the short-term exposure, my more primary concern is how it affects someones quality of living. again, my wife can't go to a club without her eyes burning after a couple hours at most places cause of the cigarette smoke. now what entitles the smokers to do what they want at a club at the expense of other people not being able to enjoy the scene? you really think it's too much to ask to have smokers take themselves outside to smoke? just like you can't drink alcohol in public, you shouldn't be able to smoke in enclosed areas where it will affect others who have no choice but to have to deal with it. if the smokers don't like it, let them go home and fill their own house with the soot. nightclubs are not just for smokers, and smokers alternative are to take 30 steps to the door to smoke. the non-smokers only alternative is to not go to clubs. now which is the more fair of the two to ask of people?
the only things "we've" established is you've set a perfect example of how smokers are concerned of nothing but themselves, think others feel the same, are extremely defensive about a disgusting habit, and fool themselves into thinking smoking isn't that bad for you or others around you. i see no legitimate points in anything you wrote whatsoever.