Steroids have given me side effects!

[Nathan]

Well, I for one will never use steroids again. I think homosexuals are disgusting and if using juice will make me gay then forget about it. I am the most normal and stable person on this board I think it safe to say and I would never do anything to jeopardize that.
In case you aren't familiar with my work, brother, I couldn't be less serious if I tried. Fuck, my roommate is gay - though I am not so don't even think of coming on to me. Dude, people who think "being gay is wrong" are the funniest fuckers around. Like they have any fucking clue what it's like to be unhappy in life or even fucking confused about life in general. They are sheep my friend. Period. You are not.
I do feel kinda bad for you though to be honest. It can't be easy being gay and not just because of dumb assholes who give you a rough time. I mean, it must be a lot harder to meet someone and must make approaching somebody you don't know who you are attracted to even more difficult than it already is. Good luck to you my friend and please don't leave the board.

[Nathan]

I forgot to ask, can I still call people like cYCLEON and XBiker homosexuals to piss them off? I don't mean it offensively it's just kinda funny since if you aren't gay, you don't like to think of yourself with other men and constantly trying to instill those thoughts in their heads is one of my favorite pasttimes. I will stop if it is offensive to you or any one else. I'm being insensitive aren't I?

[androplex]

lol

[THE BIG RED MACHINE]

Originally posted by androplex
Ok, I just took the gay test on this site. I pulled it from an old post.


http://test3.thespark.com/gaytest/



According to the Gay Test...


Here are my results:


You are only 42% GAY!

The typical gay-man is 51% gay!
Here's how you compare:

people less gay than you (3%)
people just as gay as you (0%)
people gayer than you (95%)
Based on the 348,067 submissions before you.

Still doesnt change me however.

BTW my last total test level was pretty high 3400.

\

Don't put a whole lotta faith in the old "How gay are you" test. I'm strait as an arrow and I scored 42%. But I am however very laid back and open minded. I personally think that the test is a little bias.

[androplex]

[androplex]

TNT wrote:

So . . . Wanna fuck?

Dont let TNT see my test results.

[Pete235]

Originally posted by Dad6
A lot of religious beliefs disagree with you, bro.

That is one of the reasons I really don't have time for organized religion. No flames bro and no disrespect to people of any religion...that's just who I am. I should probably clam up now because I promised myself that I wouldn't discuss religion or politics here at AR.

[androplex]

Pete235, I totally hear what you are saying.

I just got my order in the mail.

hmmmmm all these goodies......

[androplex]

It feels really good to go to the gym and have a great workout! I think working out should be a religion.

[Mike]

Holy shit......

Here's what I got out of this thread -

1. Andro, nobody here cares what your preference is - you aren't going to be rejected based on that - perhaps because you are overly dramatic, but not because you have a certain sexual orientation. Seriously bro - a lot of work has been put into this board to make sure that it's main focus is on the use of anabolics, bodybuilding, and a couple general/misc. boards for people who have gotten to be friends to chat about things on. We have also worked hard to make sure that everyone on AR feels WELCOME - no matter what their opinion, lifestyle, appearance, age, history or various affiliations. As long as their expression of such is not offensive or in anyway less than condusive to a positive enviroment based on the mutually beneficial exchange of ideas and thoughts within a generally underserved/under educated community. So stick around and have a good time, learn, teach and observe - but I apologize, this thread needs to go into the General forum.

2. I also noticed that in the last 36 hours that this post was up not ONE person had a disparaging remark! Damn, i mean I knew AR was better than other boards at being open minded and keeping the judgement down, and I knew that AR probably had a more diverse crowd than most boards (in terms of participating members anyway) and I also know that it has always been AR's goal to keep things positive and educational here and to keep the judgemental, criticizing, detrimental facets of some other boards as far as we could. But I have to say that I am surprised that our community has grown to be THIS respectful. I was getting a little discouraged about where AR was going a little while ago because of all the drama - I was concerned it would turn into all the other whiny boards with clicks and all the pissing contests. This has renewed my faith that AR still stands out as a board that I feel has exceeded the rest in this particular arena.

Thank you very much members

Sorry I am wordy today LOL got nothing better to do - and I apologize for having been gone for so long, I am trying to reintroduce myself to the board now that my life has slowed down a bit and my new job is a little more in check - sorry, I will get to ALL PMs still outstanding as well - sorry about the delay guys

[Mike]

forgot two things -

1. Nathan - I don't think twice about your homosexual remarks (yes they have been made in my direction MANY times! lol) because I know what your views on things generally tend to be and because you were considerate and sensitive enough to broach this subject and convey your acceptance, so I have no problem with it - I guess we should just hope that at some point if anyone becomes offended by it - they will feel comfortable enough at AR to voice that and THEN you can shut the hell up!

2. GUYS......DO NOT take a GAY TEST!!!!! LOL that's hilarious - andro, I admire your resilience to a currently ever changing and bewildered state of mind, but know that you do NOT have to rely on any of these comical and naiive assesments of what sexualities is (as it pertains to the masses)

I have been around the block a bit and know what kind of state your mind must be in right now - if you need a friend to talk to or use as a sounding board, or even some advice and guidance shoot me a PM

otherwise - good luck with everything you have going on

M

[Mike]

hey diesel how ya doing brother?!

Ok holy shit I just read the rest of the threads in here (sorry - I do that to all, mean no offense just have ADD and never read the whole thread lol)

But BUDDY!!! Jesus.....no, steroids did NOT make you gay, nor did they even "amplify" your predisposed "gay tendencies" - the steroids did not go ANYWHERE near your 'sexuality nerve' ok?

LOL sorry I dont mean to laugh but TRUST me, this is not the case - now you really should PM me, we may need to chat a bit LOL

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Your so gay mike....lol jk bro where you been man?

And andro, as for steroids making you more gay (or even FEEL more gay) it just dont happen like that. Maybe you thought it would so you came out a bit more then you where before (assumeing you wernt all the way out before) but as for putting your sex drive into outter space, you where on the wrong gear for that bro...lol Deca is known for many thins, ONE of them is the dreaded deca dick...

Originally posted by Mike
forgot two things -

1. Nathan - I don't think twice about your homosexual remarks (yes they have been made in my direction MANY times! lol) because I know what your views on things generally tend to be and because you were considerate and sensitive enough to broach this subject and convey your acceptance, so I have no problem with it - I guess we should just hope that at some point if anyone becomes offended by it - they will feel comfortable enough at AR to voice that and THEN you can shut the hell up!


M

[McBain]

I have to say posting that took balls andro as there are definitely some close-minded people out there and although AR is very respectful it is a public forum so you are always bound to get a couple assholes, just ignore them though. I don't think 90 % of the people here really care if you are gay or straight, like someone said it's not a choice, it's just who you are. It would be like hating someone who has blonde hair, it would just be absurd.

Sorry to hear about your friend and I wish you the best.

[androplex]

Thanks.

Now that I have gone public with this here at AR I dont plan on bringing this gay issue up again. I am available to talk with anyone that wants to talk to me about gay issues and how being gay and using steroids can make ones life a bit complicated at times, if it will help them deal with their own possible journey or demons. I am not saying steroids causes you to be gay either.

My main goal here at AR is to continue to learn about steroids and the safe use of steroids and be the best I can be at body building and share my knowledge with others. It will be easier for me to post about things now becuase I will not be saying things like, my girlfriend and when I say my boyfriend those that know me will not think twice about this. Its good to be in the open now. Thanks........

Bacause of this post one of our fellow AR members contacted me. The guy broke down and started crying his guts out and was so glad that he did not feel alone with this issue anymore.

Not to get into the details but here is an example how using steroids can make a gay persons life more complicated and the need to talk to someone else that is doing steroids and also gay. If a gay guy is using deca and gets deca dick understanding how to talk to his partner about why he is not well, never mind, could be hard for a gay on steroids to deal with. What if his partner is not aware about him using steroids etc etc etc. Gay guys can get really emotional about stuff like this.

Just like a striaght guy would need to talk to his girlfriend and explain to her why he was having trouble with that area in their relationship and it had nothing to do with her or his feelings for her. The issue is the same gay or straight but the approach might need to be different in understanding how to deal with it if your gay.

And dont worry, I dont think any of this type of posting about gay issues and dealing with it will be on the open board either. Thats what PM's are for. So for those that have religious hang ups about gays you will not be offended since most of the talk will be done through PM's.

For me this issue is now closed and thanks again for everyone that showed me so much support. I only wish my friend that killed himself could have found this kind of support, maybe he would still be here.
And pls anyone that needs to talk to me about understanding the gay issues I have spoken about here pls know that you are now not alone and I will talk with you about it if you need to. Their are others here at AR that have not come out that would be glad to help too.

So if you are gay and need to talk just PM me and pls dont think about suicide its not the way out.

[sp9]

So for those that have religious hang ups about gays you will not be offended since most of the talk will be done through PM's.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, or something like that.

[BigLad]

Andro - I couldn't care less about your sexual orientation mate. My younger bro is gay and had a shitty time worrying about tellling me. He needn't have worried. He's my bro and he's loved none the less. Black, white, straight, gay, bi, trans - whatever.

I'll only ask two thing of you mate:

1) Extend your tolerance the other way. I got chucked out of a gay night club because I'm straight and was kissing my girlfriend. A few folk had complained. I would never have dreamed of complaining about a gay couple kissing in any situation.

2) Don't turn 'supergay' and start working out in pink spandex and a tutu (joke - )

Take care mate.

[TNT]

Every few months, it seems that a "gay thread" pops up on A.R. Then the issue goes away until the next time (another few months).

No big discussion needed here; Androplex has covered it all quite well.

But I thought I'd throw some icing on the cake. This board has many gay members, including me. I've been out of the closet longer than many of our members have been alive and, although anyone who knows me knows where I'm coming from (including the mods), it's not an issue on which I fixate here on A.R., for two reasons: First, it's irrelevant - this is an AS/bodybuilding/fitness board. Second, there are a lot of young guys here who might feel distracted by the issue, and my main concern is that they receive accurate knowledge about AS and related issues.

("Omigod!" you're all saying, as if you never had a clue. Hell, you never realized that I write too well to be straight? )

That said, since Androplex has already been contacted by someone who is struggling with the gay issue (as he noted briefly in this thread), I join him in extending an invitation for anyone who has concerns about this issue, especially if it's an issue with which they are dealing, to contact me by PM. You can be assured, as is the case with the many health-related PM's I receive, that any private communications will stay that way - confidential. I can also assure you that Androplex is committed to the same (Damn - he wouldn't even tell me who wrote him!), and he can be trusted.

(Androplex and I know each other quite well. In fact, the only thing that keeps us from boinking each other is that we live 1,500 miles apart.)
[Couldn't resist.]

Anyway, this is not an invitation for debate, evangelism, or bullshit - just an assurance that if you happen to be gay (or think you might be) and have concerns about it, there are some supportive folks who can help you address them.

And if you happen to be straight - and most of you are - we accept that, too. This is neither a straight board nor a gay board; it's an AS-related board that is open to everyone and is committed to providing accurate information and support to the entire bodybuilding, weightlifting, and fitness communities.

That said, issue closed.

Next week, we'll introduce the A.R. Narciscist Support Group. Which, for those into weightlifting and bodybuilding, should cover about 100% of us.

[rangerdudeleads]

Hey bro, Ive seen your posts for awhile and you have provided good info to the newbies and even myself but as for as you being gay..SO WHAT. Your a cool bro and thats all that counts and in fact Im a straight married man but if you were in town me and you would hang out . go workout and hit the clubs and of course drink some brewskies cause I consider you and all the bros I know on here my brothers , I would treat all of ya the same regardless of sex or anything and that means you too too andro so dont ever think any of us on here thinks different of you cause it makes no big diiference.YOU BETTER NOT DO SOMETHING STUPID AND LEAVE YOUR BROTHERS CAUSE WE NEED YOU AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE( yes i was shouting so you can get this in your head) Hey buddy if you ever need any type of support or just want to shoot the shit pm me bro. take care and I better see you around.

[androplex]

Dad6,

I was not going to address your question but I decided to respond.

I have graduate level seminar studies in religion. I am only telling you this because I want you to know I have had formal training in religious beliefs. I have earned an advanced degree in Buisness, and have two additional degrees in the hard sciences.

My point is I am not knocking religion and have studied the beliefs not just christianty and I am open to any religion even if is not christianty. I am by no means saying I know it all because I dont. I wish I understood it better to be honest with you. I am just saying that I have studied religion in the church and also from the perspective from the Ivory Tower, formal training. I was not making a presupposition about your religion.

My statement that referenced, "hang ups" was not meant to be intalerant of anyones religion. I did not express myself very well here and apologize to you if it was offensive to you. You have the right to your belief and also the right to stand on the principles of an, "unchanging standard".

I believe that the existence of God is a metaphysics.

My best friend shot his brains out because he felt he was worthless and did not have the right to continue living because he was attracted to men. The church that we both went to told him that he would be damn to hell and was a worthless piece of shit. I saw him crying so hard a nights that he would get sick and throw up because he didnt want to be gay but could not change how he felt about his sexuall orientation. He told me he was going to kill himself and I was not able to stop him. Think how that made me feel. I dont blame this church and understand they had the right to believe how they do. Its just not right for me.

I no longer go to that church. So yes I have some hang ups with this particular church in how they handled the situation. I am not blaming the church for his death. It was my friends choice and I think he took responsiblity for his action since his dead now.

I have had several other members here at AR PM me. You all dont know this, now you do, but a few of our fellow members here at AR are really hurting bad and trying to understand who they are and why they are gay. We all should be very glad that AR is a tolerant board for all and understand more is going on here than just steroid information.

One member is on the edge of killing themselfs with this gay issue as I have learned today. I have ask that he seek professional help and have given him my own therapist phone number and also ask that he PM TNT for assistance too. For those that are religious I ask that you pray for this member. If you are straight and reading this and have a hard time believing this dont,

this is not a dress rehearsal its the real thing.

This is the internet and it goes world wide so please keep this in mind. Thats why I am so thankful to you all for being so understanding at this time with the gay issue as you have been in your posts. I am so thankful we have the MOD's looking out over things. A big thank you to you.

I am not a trained therapist and therefor I am not trained in giving professional help in this area. I will listen and share my own personal struggles with you and be an understanding friend who has gone through one of the deepest valley's of my life in dealing with accepting the fact that I am gay and my best friend's death if you wish to talk to me.

I apologize to the oweners of this board and the members here for this gay issue taking on such a serious nature but if you read the PM's I have received you would understand. And for the record I will never discuss the details of the information in the PM's or talk about who PM's me. I also delete the PM as soon as I read it.

I just ask that you all be aware that we have some really hurting members here that need our understanding. I just hope that those who have expressed your fears and are reading this continue to seek support from those you trust and realize that you are not alone.

And again I do apologize to the owners of the board and the members of AR who are here to learn about steroids and not really interested in this subject. I dont know why this all has happened like it has but I would like to think it was meant for a reason.

[Kaz]

Originally posted by androplex
........And again I do apologize to the owners of the board and the members of AR who are here to learn about steroids and not really interested in this subject. I dont know why this all has happened like it has but I would like to think it was meant for a reason.

Personally I dont think you need apologize. We are like a family here and we support each other. I think its great that so many came forward to post their support for you here.

Its threads like this that make me understand why this board is so different from the others. I think its great even from the point of view of a newbie, to read this - You dont have to be gay to understand that this thread shows how much support each member can have just for the asking.

[Pete235]

Originally posted by Dad6
I have had about a 67% success rate working in the homosexual community (abandoning the lifestyle) and have always kept good relations with them, whether or not I am able to help.

If I am reading this properly you have convinced 67% of the gay people you have worked with to abandon their lifestyle? If that isn't brainwashing at it's finest I don't what it is!!

[Pete235]

I should probably qualify my answer it I'm sure it comes across as smart assed (I guess in a way it is, but I'm not shooting at Dad6 personally...just relgious belief). What you have done is used an ancient scripture, words on paper that have been translated over thousands of years, to convince somebody that what is written on paper is above and beyond that persons true being. Maybe I'm being overly simplistic but why not, no amount of theological rhetoric can disprove that what the bible actually is, is "human interpretation" of the meaning of life. Seriously...they had no electronic recording devices 4000 years ago, so records were kept by "jounalists". These records were passed down over hundreds of generations and translated hundreds of times and yet we are supposed to believe that this is an accurate account of the word of god? Faith is supposed to have me believe that I should live my life according to ten rules...ten rules that were "burned in stone tablets" on a mountain and brought before humanity by a chosen one. Forget it!! I live my life as a good person, I'm kind and respectable to others, I adore all living creatures, I help in anyway I can, I love my wife and son and "IF" there is a god and heaven (I said IF) I will have a place there based on what I've done here on earth, not based on how many times I've recited the lords prayer or any other nursury rhyme.

[Pete235]

Originally posted by Dad6
I am curious, Pete: what would you call going to the mall and trying to convince a 16 year old, confused fatherless boy that he is a homosexual and he just needs to try it once...?

Sick twisted crimainal behavior...not unlike what has been perpetrated thousands of times by men in robes. But I guess it's a worse offence if it's comitted in a bathroom stall at a local shopping mall then in the back room of a local church.

[BigLad]

Do you think we should all just chill out a bit and steer the conversation back toward AAS use? I really think we risk losing members if this continues.

Dad6 - I urge you to stay mate. You have given some invaluable insights to HRT and I for one have valued your contributions. Stay, and let's just all remain focussed on the issue at hand - AAS.

[androplex]

Bro if you are reading this dont do it!!!!!!

I love you man and you can work through this.

[androplex]

Would a MOD please lock this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike]

Originally posted by Pete235


Sick twisted crimainal behavior...not unlike what has been perpetrated thousands of times by men in robes. But I guess it's a worse offence if it's comitted in a bathroom stall at a local shopping mall then in the back room of a local church.

THAT'S why I love this man! lol

btw - still havent gotten that call big P!

[Pete235]

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[Cycleon]

hmmmmmm............and I have to say about this whole thing is "and, so what?" - No need for drama - as far as this board and BB goes your sexual orientation really has no bearing - if you are trying to process through some personal issues that are happening with you - we as a board are here for you but some of that is best done by PM (I am always open to talk, if needed).

As to the "rightness" of "homosexuality" - this is something that can be discussed as long as opinions of any sort are kept civil and respectful - We WILL not turn into a PC board however, that espouses or pushes an agenda except that of getting better bodies!!!

As long as we have people supporting certain actions, we can have people dissenting - and they WILL NOT be demonized for it - as long as it is respectful and adresses issues - we will also not tollerate ANY attacks on anyone personally - to say, for example that pedophilia is destroying the catholic priesthood is different than going up to a priest and saying "you are a boy molesting pathetic piece of s**t". One is an opinion about a problem and behavior,l another is an ad homiem attack.