Getting psychotic on AAS?

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 02:17 PM

Psychosis or a total break with reasonal perspective is listed as a possible side effect of steroid use . Because hormones are mood regulaters (e.g., test is positively correlated with seratonin and everyone here knows how clomid makes you feel). It been suggested that some of the changes at the level of the neurotransmitter may be permanant.

Have you ever heard of someone's psychological makeup "changing forever" due to steroid use?

**italianplayboy09** · 08-30-2006, 02:18 PM

thats a big negative from what i know, but im not saying it isnt possible

**D3m3nt3d** · 08-30-2006, 02:19 PM

I havent personally no.

I'm a firm believer in Roid Rage period is only common in people with some imbalance already such as a predisposition to mental illness or anger problems.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 02:22 PM

Clomid use is rough for me. Not getting psychotic but I definately feel emotionally troubled when on it. I get the fear of "what if this were permanent" which isn't a reasonable fear. This clomid experience makes me realize the fragility of sanity.

**D3m3nt3d** · 08-30-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Clomid use is rough for me. Not getting psychotic but I definately feel emotionally troubled when on it. I get the fear of "what if this were permanent" which isn't a reasonable fear. This clomid experience makes me realize the fragility of sanity.

Yeah now clomid has played with my emotions, but its not really an AAS either. I just seem to be a little more sensitive on Clomid

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 02:29 PM

Yeah clomid is rough. Maybe I'll have less symptoms when I bring it down from 100 mgs to 50.

Originally Posted by D3m3nt3d

Yeah now clomid has played with my emotions, but its not really an AAS either. I just seem to be a little more sensitive on Clomid

**Mizfit** · 08-30-2006, 02:34 PM

I think that it might aggrevate symptoms already present which could in turn cause long term consequences to someone psycholigcally

**Mizfit** · 08-30-2006, 02:34 PM

If your mind is already weak - it might reek havok

**Phreak101** · 08-30-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Clomid use is rough for me. Not getting psychotic but I definately feel emotionally troubled when on it. I get the fear of "what if this were permanent" which isn't a reasonable fear. This clomid experience makes me realize the fragility of sanity.

Mike, judging from our conversation the other day, you may want to seek professional help if you are starting to realize the "fragility" of sanity.

You wonder about depression, but look at the compensating factors. Erratic hormone levels, low natty test, anti-d's, Clomid, etc. The body was not meant to have all these extra chemicals in them, especially those as powerful as the above one's listed.

Your mind is your greatest asset, protect it bro!

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 02:46 PM

Thanks for the postive words. Although I'm prone to depression in general, these recent moods are due to hormonal flux. Once I'm off clomid I'll be just dandy!

Originally Posted by Phreak101

Mike, judging from our conversation the other day, you may want to seek professional help if you are starting to realize the "fragility" of sanity.

You wonder about depression, but look at the compensating factors. Erratic hormone levels, low natty test, anti-d's, Clomid, etc. The body was not meant to have all these extra chemicals in them, especially those as powerful as the above one's listed.

Your mind is your greatest asset, protect it bro!

**Phreak101** · 08-30-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Thanks for the postive words. Although I'm prone to depression in general, these recent moods are due to hormonal flux. Once I'm off clomid I'll be just dandy!

Yeah clomid can make a brother feel like the world is coming to an end, regardless of how good things are going.

Get off that shite and get happy again!

**Polska** · 08-30-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Clomid use is rough for me. Not getting psychotic but I definately feel emotionally troubled when on it. I get the fear of "what if this were permanent" which isn't a reasonable fear. This clomid experience makes me realize the fragility of sanity.

Just a thought, have you ever tried Nolva in lieu of clomid? I started using it as a staple of my PCT and will never go back to Clomid. Non of the side effects of clomid and I am recovering from an 8 month run

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 03:04 PM

I use both clomid and nolva. Clomid to start my own test and nolva to block estrogen. Getting endogenous test going again is thw work of clomid (and not as much nolva) in my understanding.

Originally Posted by Polska

Just a thought, have you ever tried Nolva in lieu of clomid? I started using it as a staple of my PCT and will never go back to Clomid. Non of the side effects of clomid and I am recovering from an 8 month run

**Polska** · 08-30-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

I use both clomid and nolva. Clomid to start my own test and nolva to block estrogen. Getting endogenous test going again is thw work of clomid (and not as much nolva) in my understanding.

They are one and the same in this instance. Both are SERMs, nolvadex is just a much more powerful SERM. Anthony Roberts has a great article about it. I've been using it with Aromasin and my PCT has been great so far.

**crash187ct** · 08-30-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Phreak101

Yeah clomid can make a brother feel like the world is coming to an end, regardless of how good things are going.

Get off that shite and get happy again!

i just got out of that stage of clomid, and looking back......all i can say is, "how did i live through it". i despise clomid, and i will say this, never again lol.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 03:14 PM

I read mixed things about that so it's not clear to me. It seems that clomid is more potent than nolva for getting the natural test back - again, mixed info about that. But next time I think I'll use nolva and Aromasin pct. I need to do more research. Price wise, the standard clomid/nolva pct seems to be the cheapest.

Originally Posted by Polska

They are one and the same in this instance. Both are SERMs, nolvadex is just a much more powerful SERM. Anthony Roberts has a great article about it. I've been using it with Aromasin and my PCT has been great so far.

**Tren Bull** · 08-30-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Psychosis or a total break with reasonal perspective is listed as a possible side effect of steroid use . Because hormones are mood regulaters (e.g., test is positively correlated with seratonin and everyone here knows how clomid makes you feel). It been suggested that some of the changes at the level of the neurotransmitter may be permanant.

Have you ever heard of someone's psychological makeup "changing forever" due to steroid use?

actually yea i have heard that roids can permanantly cause anger problems

**AleX-69** · 08-30-2006, 03:16 PM

Even tough what polska said about nolva is defo true i feel i recover better on clomid than on nolva.. don't know why. Moreover i dont expierence no moodieness (

) or other side effects of clomid..

In your case mike i'd give nolva a try in your future runs, along with some provirone and maybe even IGF_1LR3...

**Polska** · 08-30-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

I read mixed things about that so it's not clear to me. It seems that clomid is more potent than nolva for getting the natural test back - again, mixed info about that. But next time I think I'll use nolva and Aromasin pct. I need to do more research. Price wise, the standard clomid/nolva pct seems to be the cheapest.

I'll try to pull up the article for ya. I forgot who wrote it, might've been Pinnacle or Hooker. Although I think both of them recommend Nolva to Clomid. I've recovered from two cycles with just Nolva. Now I am coming off my 8 month run with Nolva/Aromasin and aside from acne all over my back I haven't had any other side effects.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 03:20 PM

exactly what I read too. Increased agression. Especially if you take while you're still in your teens (before maturation stops).

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

actually yea i have heard that roids can permanantly cause anger problems

**AleX-69** · 08-30-2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Polska

I'll try to pull up the article for ya. I forgot who wrote it, might've been Pinnacle or Hooker. Although I think both of them recommend Nolva to Clomid. I've recovered from two cycles with just Nolva. Now I am coming off my 8 month run with Nolva/Aromasin and aside from acne all over my back I haven't had any other side effects.

i know BigCat wrote about that topic a while ago..Nevertheless even today there are confronting opinions on nolvadex PCT usefullness.

I can dig out a lengthy conversation on this topic if you want.. (with lots of references and stuff

)

**Polska** · 08-30-2006, 03:24 PM

From hookers PCT article: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (35)It can also block a bit of estrogen in the pituitary, which is a great benefit when used with HCG (more on that later) (36)(37). The increase in testosterone Nolvadex can give someone with a dysfunctional is basically that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (6)...Why don’t we use Clomid, another SERM? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH
(Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone) (6). This most likely indicates some kind of upregulation of the LH-receptors due to the anti-estrogenic effect Nolvadex has at the pituitary. Although both Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs, they are actually quite different. As you already know, Nolvadex is highly anti-estrogenic at the hypothalamus and pituitary, while Clomid exhibits weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary (7), which as you can guess, is less than ideal. It should be avoided for the PCT I’m suggesting…and in fact, avoided in general…it’s simply not as good as Nolvadex.

Need I even add that the 150mgs of Clomid you need to get the hormonal increase experienced with 20mgs of Nolvadex is much more expensive? So lets dump the Clomid…and no, using it along with Nolvadex will provide no “synergy” that I’ve ever seen in any relevant study.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 03:27 PM

And Anthony Roberts concurs with this?

Originally Posted by Polska

From hookers PCT article: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

**AleX-69** · 08-30-2006, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

And Anthony Roberts concurs with this?

from my understanding hooker=Anthony ....

**Polska** · 08-30-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by AleX-69

from my understanding hooker=Anthony ....

Yup they are the same guy.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 05:55 PM

Then it looks like he concurs after all.

Originally Posted by AleX-69

from my understanding hooker=Anthony ....

**kyjelly** · 08-30-2006, 05:59 PM

Ive killed a man, a dog, and a rabbitt.

I also currently beat my wife.

But its all cool. Thanks to the AAS

**thegodfather** · 08-30-2006, 06:03 PM

Seroquel at 50mgs/ED has helped tremendously with my anxiety/paranoia/and irrational thoughts. Has also eliminated my constant thoughts of planning out suicide. I guess Im sharing a pretty personal detail but its the gods honest truth. I go for re-evaluation soon and my dosage will probably be upped. Anyway, the last times I attempted to run gear it made my paranoia 10 fold, this time Im on right now and am still not having those thoughts (knock on wood)....I have a history of mental illness in my family (namely anxiety/panic attacks) and I have been dealing with panic attacks/anxiety since I was in the 10th grade.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 06:14 PM

Those things run in my family too (depression as well). Doing roids is definately playing with fire for us. While on test I feel great (albeit a bit agressive) but it's the coming off and the PCT thing that's rough. The lexipro helps take the edge off.

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Seroquel at 50mgs/ED has helped tremendously with my anxiety/paranoia/and irrational thoughts. Has also eliminated my constant thoughts of planning out suicide. I guess Im sharing a pretty personal detail but its the gods honest truth. I go for re-evaluation soon and my dosage will probably be upped. Anyway, the last times I attempted to run gear it made my paranoia 10 fold, this time Im on right now and am still not having those thoughts (knock on wood)....I have a history of mental illness in my family (namely anxiety/panic attacks) and I have been dealing with panic attacks/anxiety since I was in the 10th grade.

**thegodfather** · 08-30-2006, 06:23 PM

That it is, but Im a little bit too stubborn to let that shit rule my life and the things that i like (juicin)...One thing I will say, the worst experience in my life has been Paxil, that shit made me a complete and utter wreck and it took me a good 6-8 months to recover from it.

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Those things run in my family too (depression as well). Doing roids is definately playing with fire for us. While on test I feel great (albeit a bit agressive) but it's the coming off and the PCT thing that's rough. The lexipro helps take the edge off.

**Mike Dura** · 08-30-2006, 06:33 PM

I didn't get great results with paxil either. The sexual sides sucked and it didn't help my depression too much. Lexipro made a big difference for me. I agree with you about the juice. It's a radical sport and why not get radical and suck up a few weeks of suicidal moods.

Originally Posted by thegodfather

That it is, but Im a little bit too stubborn to let that shit rule my life and the things that i like (juicin)...One thing I will say, the worst experience in my life has been Paxil, that shit made me a complete and utter wreck and it took me a good 6-8 months to recover from it.