Is Saddam right? - Devils Advocate.

[biglouie250]

we all read the brutal stories about the saddam reign in Iraq. He certainly is a despicable person, however he brought up a good point in his trial just yesterday. when the prosecution started to speak about over 100k people killed by Hussein he had a legitimate response that made sense. He said something to the affect that "in any other country in the world if people were trying to start a military overthrow of the government you send in the army to stop this"............thoughts?

[QuieTSToRM33]

that is complete bullshit ........... what that man did to his own people is nothing short of genocide.

[taiboxa]

oh saddam he smerter than we give him credit for ..

[RA]

Im certain the kurds would disagree with you.

[wascaptain5214]

hope he gets convicted of his crimes and hangs.

[Phreak101]

You don't gas the people, you deal with them diplomatically, then militarily. he was gassing women and children...fvck him.

The ONLY thing that man was good for was a Sunni presence in a now big Shi'ite problem in the middle east. He was the cork, he's been popped, now we have Hizbollah and the like running the show...

[PROTEINSHAKE]

just the fact that this MUTHER EFFER is even on trial is absolutley ubsurd. A TRIAL ??? WTF??? THATS A EFFIN JOKE.shoulda put a bullet in his head the minute they saw him & worried about it later. FVCK HIM IS RIGHT.

[Polska]

He should still be in power.

The US had no right to invade and overthrow him.

BILLIONS of dollars spent on this ****ing war with so many SOLDIERS killled... for NOTHING.

The 9/11 site is still untouched. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam has nothing to do with al queida.

Yet your lovely president wants to invade iraq FIRST right after 9/11. It is only after his counselors and advisors told him "maybe uhh we should go for afgahnistan first.." did he comply.

Has Bin Laden been caught? **** no. because it's never a priority in the first place.

It's Bin Laden who should be behind bars. Saddam Hussein is an evil man. but there are people out there far worse than him.

Your president and your government is a joke.

[QuieTSToRM33]

When was the last time Canada did anything good for the world ?

[RA]

I like your gun control laws. Working real good for you eh?

He should still be in power.

The US had no right to invade and overthrow him.

BILLIONS of dollars spent on this ****ing war with so many SOLDIERS killled... for NOTHING.

The 9/11 site is still untouched. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam has nothing to do with al queida.

Yet your lovely president wants to invade iraq FIRST right after 9/11. It is only after his counselors and advisors told him "maybe uhh we should go for afgahnistan first.." did he comply.

Has Bin Laden been caught? **** no. because it's never a priority in the first place.

It's Bin Laden who should be behind bars. Saddam Hussein is an evil man. but there are people out there far worse than him.

Your president and your government is a joke.

[XmotorX]

He should still be in power.

The US had no right to invade and overthrow him.

BILLIONS of dollars spent on this ****ing war with so many SOLDIERS killled... for NOTHING.

The 9/11 site is still untouched. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam has nothing to do with al queida.

Yet your lovely president wants to invade iraq FIRST right after 9/11. It is only after his counselors and advisors told him "maybe uhh we should go for afgahnistan first.." did he comply.

Has Bin Laden been caught? **** no. because it's never a priority in the first place.

It's Bin Laden who should be behind bars. Saddam Hussein is an evil man. but there are people out there far worse than him.

Your president and your government is a joke.

Ok, we shouldn't have attacked Iraq first that was just Bush's own agenda, but Saddam Hussein still needed to be stopped. What if no one would have tried to stop Hitler? Hussein was gassing people too but it's not as bad?And since when did Canadians start deciding whether or not our government is good?

[Polska]

I like your gun control laws. Working real good for you eh?

Canada is not perfect. I am not loyal to canada either, I was never born here.

You cannot disagree with me that your president is the laughing stock of the entire world.

How many jokes are poked at him in the entertainment industry on a daily basis?

I am not saying it's a walk in the park to run a country. I am just saying, imo you wouldve been better off had gore taken office.

[RA]

No way in hell would we be better off with Gore. If he would be anything like Clinton this country would be sunk. Yeah, everybody liked us..we got hit..did nothing..over and over and over again. 93 wtc, the cole, our embassys, etc DID NOTHING.

Bush is kicking terrorist ass and taking names. I couldnt give a shit less what the rest of the world thinks.

Canada is not perfect. I am not loyal to canada either, I was never born here.

You cannot disagree with me that your president is the laughing stock of the entire world.

How many jokes are poked at him in the entertainment industry on a daily basis?

I am not saying it's a walk in the park to run a country. I am just saying, imo you wouldve been better off had gore taken office.

[Polska]

Ok, we shouldn't have attacked Iraq first that was just Bush's own agenda, but Saddam Hussein still needed to be stopped. What if no one would have tried to stop Hitler? Hussein was gassing people too but it's not as bad?And since when did Canadians start deciding whether or not our government is good?

They don't. you do. americans elected him into office twice (first time is still undecided) and yet he has done very little that has been beneficial to your country. his approval rating has been sliding rapidly. the numbers speak for themselves. I don't even have to mention the people who make fun of him on a daily basis.

Now Saddam is stopped, and that's good. but at what expense?

and there are people far worst out there than him. Kim Jong II ring a bell...

[XmotorX]

No way in hell would we be better off with Gore. If he would be anything like Clinton this country would be sunk. Yeah, everybody liked us..we got hit..did nothing..over and over and over again. 93 wtc, the cole, our embassys, etc DID NOTHING.

Bush is kicking terrorist ass and taking names. I couldnt give a shit less what the rest of the world thinks.

Amen.

[QuieTSToRM33]

Canada is not perfect. I am not loyal to canada either, I was never born here.

You cannot disagree with me that your president is the laughing stock of the entire world.
How many jokes are poked at him in the entertainment industry on a daily basis?

Oh no .... the President gets ragged on by left wing newspapers/reporters ... lets run for the hills ..... who gives a fvck what the media says .... it's a lot easier to sit there and write something than it is to be in the position that you're critisizing.


I am not saying it's a walk in the park to run a country. I am just saying, imo you wouldve been better off had gore taken office.

Yeah ..... so we can have another liberal in office not do shit when our country needs him to. The Clinton administration had numerous chances to assassinate Osama Bin Laden, but they didnt. Why ? Because liberals have the backbone of a chocolate eclair.

What would have Gore done when we got attacked ? ....... my guess is ..... sit on his ass and hope it went away.

see bold print.

Everyone is quick to blame President Bush. The fact of the matter is, is had the Clinton administration acted as they shouldve, then none of this ever wouldve happened. People are quick to point a finger at the current President, but just because he was in power when it happened doesnt mean shit.

Dont be a Liberal !

[Polska]

Bush is kicking terrorist ass and taking names. I couldnt give a shit less what the rest of the world thinks.

Everyone has their own opinion. you're entitled to yours as I am to mine.

[QuieTSToRM33]

No way in hell would we be better off with Gore. If he would be anything like Clinton this country would be sunk. Yeah, everybody liked us..we got hit..did nothing..over and over and over again. 93 wtc, the cole, our embassys, etc DID NOTHING.

Bush is kicking terrorist ass and taking names. I couldnt give a shit less what the rest of the world thinks.

you beat me to it ..... good point

[RA]

Everyone has their own opinion. you're entitled to yours as I am to mine.

Agreed

[Polska]

see bold print.

Everyone is quick to blame President Bush. The fact of the matter is, is had the Clinton administration acted as they shouldve, then none of this ever wouldve happened. People are quick to point a finger at the current President, but just because he was in power when it happened doesnt mean shit.

Dont be a Liberal !

You're speaking hypothetically. You don't know how gore would have dealt with the aftermath of 9/11. it could've gone both ways.

Bush is a war hungry president. his father was a war hungry president. he's just finishing daddy's business, IMO.

You're right in the sense that he's getting shit done; but in the wrong place! Why does Iraq have nearly all your manpower. Why are troops being held in Iraq on overtime when victory has already been declared? Why not focus all resources and manpower on the country that is responsible for what happened on 9/11 instead of a country that had no hand in it? those are the things that concern me.

[QuieTSToRM33]

You're speaking hypothetically. You don't know how gore would have dealt with the aftermath of 9/11. it could've gone both ways.

Bush is a war hungry president. his father was a war hungry president. he's just finishing daddy's business, IMO.

You're right in the sense that he's getting shit done; but in the wrong place! Why does Iraq have nearly all your manpower. Why are troops being held in Iraq on overtime when victory has already been declared? Why not focus all resources and manpower on the country that is responsible for what happened on 9/11 instead of a country that had no hand in it? those are the things that concern me.

Of course I'm speaking hypothetically, but Gore was Clinton's VP, which means they share the same ideas/principles, so in my educated opinion, we wouldve been off worse with Gore in office. Like roid said before, what did Clinton do when the WTC was attacked in 93 ? NOTHING. What about when the USS Cole was bombed off the coast of Yemen ? NOTHING. How about when US embassies were being bombed, and Al Qaeda time after time took responsibility for it ? Once again, NOTHING. As far as Bush vs. Gore is concerned, ill take Bush 10 times out of 10.

Bush is a war hungry President. Well thank god he is. I'd rather have a President in office who has balls to stand up for his country, instead of a coward (ie. Bill Clinton).

You need to get your facts straight concerning the United States Military. Iraq has all our power ?? You obviously know nothing except what your precious media feeds you. As we speak there are troops in Afghanistan searching for this motherfvcker. How do I know this ? Because I have two cousins over there as we speak.

And if we were to leave Iraq, who knows what could happen ? Civil war for one, which probably would make us go back there later on. They could also get invaded, which could lead to some serious shit. The fact of the matter is that we can't leave Iraq until that country is stable. It might be today, it might be next week, it might be in 5 years.

[RA]

I remember before we went into Iraq..Hillary Clinton gave a big speech about how we need to go in there. Everyone forgets that politicans on both sides of the aisle talked like it was a huge need.

The subject has been debated to death. We are there and we arent leaving until Iraq is a fully functioning democracy.

[Polska]

You need to get your facts straight concerning the United States Military. Iraq has all our power ?? You obviously know nothing except what your precious media feeds you. As we speak there are troops in Afghanistan searching for this motherfvcker. How do I know this ? Because I have two cousins over there as we speak.

And if we were to leave Iraq, who knows what could happen ? Civil war for one, which probably would make us go back there later on. They could also get invaded, which could lead to some serious shit. The fact of the matter is that we can't leave Iraq until that country is stable. It might be today, it might be next week, it might be in 5 years.

I know that there are troops in afgahnistan. just not as many as I think is necessary to find Bin Laden

[RA]

I know that there are troops in afgahnistan. just not as many as I think is necessary to find Bin Laden

They think hes in Pakistan and we cant cross the border. Pakistan passed a resolution just the other day that if al quada stays in their villages and doesnt make trouble they can live there as long as they want. That includes bin laden.

[QuieTSToRM33]

I know that there are troops in afgahnistan. just not as many as I think is necessary to find Bin Laden

It doesnt matter how many we have .... as long as the neighboring countries (especially Pakistan) continue to harbor this motherfvcker, then the only thing we could really do is invade them too.

I for one would invade ANY country if I knew that cocksucker was in there, but that's just me. Of course there are diplomatic relations involved, and my actions arent justified without proper information.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

They think hes in Pakistan and we cant cross the border. Pakistan passed a resolution just the other day that if al quada stays in their villages and doesnt make trouble they can live there as long as they want. That includes bin laden.

TIME TO BLOW UP PAKISTAN THEN & GET THIS BASTARD & END ALL THIS SHIT.

[biglouie250]

quiet: you call clinton a coward because he refused to send troops to die? that makes him a coward? bush sending troops to die for no reason makes him a coward, why doesnt he send his daughters there if he feels that the cause is so righteous. his family supports him so much in speach, yet their actions tell a different story.

any way back to the question at hand. i put this thread in the news section because its in the news, but i guess it got moved here for a good reason. lets not turn this into a gore v bush v clinton thread because that is all conjecture and what we have right now is bush, for better or worse. Furthermore the political forum got shut for a reason, lets not politicize this thread when i asked a simple question related to something that is currently in the news.

Now my question still stands, from a political POV was Saddam correct in killing what was viewed by his regime as a militant group of extremists that threatened to take over the country? If the US govt found out that a band of rebels threatened to take over the country wouldnt they meet these rebels with force? i dont think that the US govt would just knock on their door and say "hey can we talk about this?"

Dont get me wrong its great that saddam is diposed but in the end arent we fishing for reasons to justify what we did? I mean to this day there are no WMD's and he pretty much was right in line with all UN sanctions. Yea he is a piece of shyte but there are many leaders that deserve the same fate, see north korea, pakistan, iran, syria, and all of africa.

[taiboxa]

THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE POLITICAL FORUM BACK

kuz this siht is cluttering up my Ninja threads! ><

[RA]

TIME TO BLOW UP PAKISTAN THEN & GET THIS BASTARD & END ALL THIS SHIT.

We cant be sure that the U.S. isnt sending special forces over to get him...I hope thats the case cause we do need to get that bastard.

[RA]

quiet: you call clinton a coward because he refused to send troops to die? that makes him a coward? bush sending troops to die for no reason makes him a coward, why doesnt he send his daughters there if he feels that the cause is so righteous. his family supports him so much in speach, yet their actions tell a different story.

Send his daughters...blah blah blah. Same liberal bullshyt. Yeah, every war weve gotten into the charge has been led by the presidents children. What a crock of liberal shit.

[biglouie250]

I remember before we went into Iraq..Hillary Clinton gave a big speech about how we need to go in there. Everyone forgets that politicans on both sides of the aisle talked like it was a huge need.

The subject has been debated to death. We are there and we arent leaving until Iraq is a fully functioning democracy.

roid, every politician was for the war sans a few and so was a large majority of the country because we were told by our govt that saddam hussein was a threat to our national security and that he was developing WMDs. This has been proven false and those who say "i made a mistake" when speaking about their position on the war impress me a little more then someone who is blindly still trying to find the righteousness behind it. Im not saying that the bush admin duped us into believing it so, its more then likely possible that they really believed that they were correct. but we also took a blind course during vietnam and look at how much we accomplished there.

[Phreak101]

BRING BACK THE POLITICAL FORUM!! RRRYYAAAHH!! (ALA Howard Dean)

[RA]

lol, so he needs to say im sorry and you will "feel" better about it. Cmon...you really think these things? What I said still stands. Everyone was behind it.

roid, every politician was for the war sans a few and so was a large majority of the country because we were told by our govt that saddam hussein was a threat to our national security and that he was developing WMDs. This has been proven false and those who say "i made a mistake" when speaking about their position on the war impress me a little more then someone who is blindly still trying to find the righteousness behind it. Im not saying that the bush admin duped us into believing it so, its more then likely possible that they really believed that they were correct. but we also took a blind course during vietnam and look at how much we accomplished there.

[biglouie250]

Send his daughters...blah blah blah. Same liberal bullshyt. Yeah, every war weve gotten into the charge has been led by the presidents children. What a crock of liberal shit.

i am by no means a liberal, if i had my way id bomb the entire middle east and name it new texas and claim all the oil fields in the name of NYC. i believe a persons actions speak louder then words.

[RA]

If you had to live under saddam you would revolt too and then get gassed like the kurds did. Men/women/children...sounds like mr rogers to me.

quiet: you call clinton a coward because he refused to send troops to die? that makes him a coward? bush sending troops to die for no reason makes him a coward, why doesnt he send his daughters there if he feels that the cause is so righteous. his family supports him so much in speach, yet their actions tell a different story.

any way back to the question at hand. i put this thread in the news section because its in the news, but i guess it got moved here for a good reason. lets not turn this into a gore v bush v clinton thread because that is all conjecture and what we have right now is bush, for better or worse. Furthermore the political forum got shut for a reason, lets not politicize this thread when i asked a simple question related to something that is currently in the news.

Now my question still stands, from a political POV was Saddam correct in killing what was viewed by his regime as a militant group of extremists that threatened to take over the country? If the US govt found out that a band of rebels threatened to take over the country wouldnt they meet these rebels with force? i dont think that the US govt would just knock on their door and say "hey can we talk about this?"

Dont get me wrong its great that saddam is diposed but in the end arent we fishing for reasons to justify what we did? I mean to this day there are no WMD's and he pretty much was right in line with all UN sanctions. Yea he is a piece of shyte but there are many leaders that deserve the same fate, see north korea, pakistan, iran, syria, and all of africa.

[Phreak101]

quiet: you call clinton a coward because he refused to send troops to die? that makes him a coward? bush sending troops to die for no reason makes him a coward, why doesnt he send his daughters there if he feels that the cause is so righteous. his family supports him so much in speach, yet their actions tell a different story.

Clinton was a coward because he sent Rangers into Mogadishu without gunship support for fear of what the world would think, and got a lot of good SF units killed

Clinton was a coward because he sent missle strikes into Afghanistan to wag the dog after lying about being blown in the oval office instead of doing his job

Clinton was a coward because he gave way to Syria and Iran by talking to them right after Al Qaida attacked a US Naval Carrier.

Clinton was a ****ing coward plain and simple. Bush has a plan, and he is sticking with it, that's how shit get's done.

Lincoln was called a lot of things by the Union during the civil war too because he refused to stray from the plan to get things done, are we calling him an idiot today?

[RA]

i am by no means a liberal, if i had my way id bomb the entire middle east and name it new texas and claim all the oil fields in the name of NYC. i believe a persons actions speak louder then words.

Good. But why the hell would he send his daughters. This is just taken from the DNC talking points.

[biglouie250]

lol, so he needs to say im sorry and you will "feel" better about it. Cmon...you really think these things? What I said still stands. Everyone was behind it.

not say im sorry at all. that is a sign of weakness. if it were me id get rid of the joint chiefs of staff and intelligence heads to send a message that they were wrong w/o actually saying it.

[QuieTSToRM33]

quiet: you call clinton a coward because he refused to send troops to die? that makes him a coward? bush sending troops to die for no reason makes him a coward, why doesnt he send his daughters there if he feels that the cause is so righteous. his family supports him so much in speach, yet their actions tell a different story.

You talk about all the troops that are dying.

How about the people that died when the WTC was bombed in 93 ?

How about the sailors that were killed in the USS Cole bombing ?

How about the govt employees, marines, and civilians that were killed during the numerous Embassy bombings ?

The fact that Clinton did nothing and let those innocent people fade away into history is why he is a coward.


you dont know how many times i hear this same ridiculous argument from liberal after liberal?

Since when do parents have the right to sign their kids up for the military, or to send them to war ?

Unless there is a draft, enlistment is VOLUNTARY.

It's amazing at the bullshit that comes out of people's mouths sometimes. *




*Lou, I'm not attacking you personally, I'm speaking in general, so don't take offense.*
The bold print corresponds to what I put in bold from the original post by Lou.

[biglouie250]

Lincoln was called a lot of things by the Union during the civil war too because he refused to stray from the plan to get things done, are we calling him an idiot today?

i really dont hate GWB, i think he is in way over his head...... he is probably a really cool guy. But please PLEASEEEE dont make any comparisons with him to one the greatest presidents in US history.