Advice On Army!

[Superhuman]

well it looks to me like the Air Force is the way to go, i'll go meet with a recruiter on monday and get some more info then I have to find out from the prosecutor what he'll accept - I wonder if they will still drop my case if I DEP in like 6months later as opposed to go to boot ASAP.

[NightTrain]

good luck BRO

[gixxerboy1]

I was thinking that if I couldn't actually go to a University physically while I'm in that I could possibly do the online classes. Does anybody have any experience with that? If you get your degree online from, say, UGA, does it say it was online or do you actually get a Bachelors Degree in <insert major> from UGA?

I had a friend that did online school. I know she had to go once in a while to the campus for certian things. But she did take alot of exams on-line. But her degree when she was done was the same as everyone elses

[ginkobulloba]

Dude, I've got a good fcking idea. Check this out. When you DEP you are not binded into actually living up to that contract. You'll take an oath, sure, but it's a pretend one. Doesn't mean shit. The only oath that counts is when you're already at the processing center at boot camp. Until you ship out to basic, you're a free man. That contract you sign can be cancelled at your will at any moment before you are to report to boot camp.

Are you seeing where I am going with all of this?

All morality crap aside, this could be a way to get yourself out of this DUI bind and NOT have to serve in the military. Do your DEP thing, sign a contract you have no intention of living up to, then wait for the prosecutor to drop the charges. Presto! Go to your recruiter and tell him "sorry, I'm not doing it, cancel my shit!"

A bit fcked up, but not a bad idea, all in all. Sounds completely plausible to me as well. First, find out if they'll drop the charges while you are a DEP. If so, then your worries are over dude.

[NightTrain]

Dude, I've got a good fcking idea. Check this out. When you DEP you are not binded into actually living up to that contract. You'll take an oath, sure, but it's a pretend one. Doesn't mean shit. The only oath that counts is when you're already at the processing center at boot camp. Until you ship out to basic, you're a free man. That contract you sign can be cancelled at your will at any moment before you are to report to boot camp.

Are you seeing where I am going with all of this?

All morality crap aside, this could be a way to get yourself out of this DUI bind and NOT have to serve in the military. Do your DEP thing, sign a contract you have no intention of living up to, then wait for the prosecutor to drop the charges. Presto! Go to your recruiter and tell him "sorry, I'm not doing it, cancel my shit!"

A bit fcked up, but not a bad idea, all in all. Sounds completely plausible to me as well. First, find out if they'll drop the charges while you are a DEP. If so, then your worries are over dude.

wow you are evil.......................... lol

[ginkobulloba]

But I am right, aren't I?

[paulzane]

Sounds good to me ginko!

[Red Ketchup]

Look bro, don't go joining the military because you're backed into a corner... if you join, do it because thats what you really WANT to do with your life.

I have nothing but respect for people who sign up and serve their country (my dad was in the Royal Canadian Air Force, and my grandpa was a grunt in WW2), but man do it for the right reasons.

As for this DUI story bro, I hate to say it but you fu¢ked up... take your punishment like a man.

Red

[Daveskidoof3]

I have been looking at the guard to join, deployment's are 90% voluntary from what I understand. I have a criminal record,there is no way you would get security clearence for what you want. I scored high on the ASVAB also,doesn't matter. I qualified for 98% of the MOS and the one I could get with a big bonus was heavey equipment operater. I have a 5 year old son and my wife is 7 month's pregneant with a girl so I am starting to think it is a bad idea. Good luck man

[NightTrain]

But I am right, aren't I?

but still evil

[ginkobulloba]

I have been looking at the guard to join, deployment's are 90% voluntary from what I understand.

You understand wrong dude. No fcking way are they 90% voluntary. Nobody would go.

[Daveskidoof3]

I the guard has not met there quota for a posted deployment with volunteer's,then they start to ask you if you want to go. If you have a good reason not to go and you talk to your CO you might get out of it if they think it is a good enough reason. Or you might not I guess maybe 50/50. I know if you have a criminal record it is harder to get you out of the state's,lot's of paper work. My friend is a captain and commander of a unit where I am from I don't think he would lie to me.

[Daveskidoof3]

Why would you not want to go they pay pretty well for deployment's. And if you get the rest of your bonus while over sea's, tax free money.

[CSAR]

Ginko's idea is pretty good, even if it's evil. There's also a little known clause where you can get out within 90 days after starting boot camp if you're not happy with military life. They don't make it easy on you though. At A school, one guy resorted to pissing his bed at night. He was gone within a week.

I still think you should talk to an officer recruiter. Shit rolls downhill and low ranking enlisted personnel earn way below the poverty level. If you do enlist, then make sure you get the college fund!!! Everyone can get the GI Bill, but recruiters will do their best to try and slip the college fund by you. Also, ask about the bonuses for various MOS. AND GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING. If a recruiter tells you something, they have to be able to back it up in writing, otherwise it's a lie.

Best wishes and good luck to you whatever you should decide!!!

[DNoMac]

I the guard has not met there quota for a posted deployment with volunteer's,then they start to ask you if you want to go. If you have a good reason not to go and you talk to your CO you might get out of it if they think it is a good enough reason. Or you might not I guess maybe 50/50. I know if you have a criminal record it is harder to get you out of the state's,lot's of paper work. My friend is a captain and commander of a unit where I am from I don't think he would lie to me.

It's true. They take volunteers first, then if they can't fill them, they ask from other bases for volunteers. If they can't fill the roster, then they start calling motherfvckers up. My bro got out of a deployment a year ago because of school. I'm being redeployed in May, and am gonna try to get out because I graduate in August.

[Superhuman]

Dude, I've got a good fcking idea. Check this out. When you DEP you are not binded into actually living up to that contract. You'll take an oath, sure, but it's a pretend one. Doesn't mean shit. The only oath that counts is when you're already at the processing center at boot camp. Until you ship out to basic, you're a free man. That contract you sign can be cancelled at your will at any moment before you are to report to boot camp.

Are you seeing where I am going with all of this?

All morality crap aside, this could be a way to get yourself out of this DUI bind and NOT have to serve in the military. Do your DEP thing, sign a contract you have no intention of living up to, then wait for the prosecutor to drop the charges. Presto! Go to your recruiter and tell him "sorry, I'm not doing it, cancel my shit!"

A bit fcked up, but not a bad idea, all in all. Sounds completely plausible to me as well. First, find out if they'll drop the charges while you are a DEP. If so, then your worries are over dude.

funny you say that because I actually thought of the same thing but when I talked to my lawyer he said that if I backed out later it wouldn't work. I got the DUI in Gwinett county which is THE toughest county in the state of Georgia, especially on DUIs. If it were the city I live in now I could probably get out of it easily just because I know people but not in Atlanta... the courts are hardcore there because they deal with lots of bad sh*t.

[Daveskidoof3]

Good luck DNoMac!

[LatinoPR]

Get a bachelor degree....then go NAVY....and be an officer.




LPR.

[CSAR]

NAVY - Never Again Volunteer Yourself

Chiefs run the navy. Most naval officers don't know whether to sit on their thumb or suck it. Being haze gray and underway with a few hundred other men ain't nothing but a big floating sausage party.

[athlet4muscl]

Be careful with any recruiter who is telling you they can guarantee a specific position when you go in... pretty sure all they can do in that department is put down a request. That will only matter if slots are open for that job.. but no guarantee.

Almost went in enlisted myself under that pretense. Good thing my brother found out who was already in as a JAG and ripped the recruiter a new one for making shit promises. Either way i recommend waiting and going in as an officer if you can.

[ecivon]

Well Superhuman, you've been getting alot of advice. Here's a little more. I was in the military and it was great. I was 18 and didn't know diddly s**t. That's the type of redruit the army likes best; those that are easily brain controlled and whose minds can be manipulated. And never, never, believe what a recruiter tells you, they will lie up one side and down the other. An enlisted person without highly needed skills will not be guaranteed a specific MOS. An enlisted person will not be given the time, or access to complete college while in the military. You will earn benefits for tuition after you are discharged, but you will not be given the time to complete school while on active duty. The jobs you listed will not be given to you during your first term of enlistment. You would be eligible after your re-enlistment. Secondly, you'd better be able to run at least 5 miles carrying a heavy pack without stopping and putting up with endless in-your-face taunts and harassment. You will not have a life, the military will own it; you will not be able to make decisions on anything, the military will tell you what to do at all times. There are conflicts all over the damned place, you will most likely end up in one of them. You will be shot at by small arms, RPG's, incendiaries, all kinds of mind boggling shit. And if you are hit, you could face unbelievable bullshit the rest of your life in VA medical facilities and fighting the VA for the most basic rights. And you're going to do this because of an impending DUI? I can tell you what it is like dealing with the VA and the government -- I've had over 34 operations and procedures from military injuries and you are just a faceless number to them. Your decision will involve more than just yourself and will include every member of your family if something happens to you. A f**king DUI is no big deal.

[Mesomorphyl]

I was in the millitary and if you can afford an education then get it... As said earlier you will be going strait into war, chances are you will not even get the MOS you desire and they will make you infantry.

Again I served honorably but would talk family members out of joining. Good luck with your decission.

[carguy_z28]

Im not to sure about in the states, But here in Canada, Im proud to be a soldier, to those that are telling you not to do it, tell them to stick it up there ass. But if you do it, make sure you do it because you want to, dont do it to get out of a charge. And another thing, your life isnt over when you sighn the contract. Yeah, for the first 16 weeks of basic, its hard, they will try to break you and make you into what they want you to be. And DONT listen to the reqruter!!! There job is to tell you what you want to hear to get you in. I was told and promised a lot of shit that did not even remotly happen. Talk to some of the others on here that have been or may be in the armed forces, get your info strait. Dont listen to the guys who havent been in and think they know what there talking about, its not all bad, if your good enough, then youll get your ranking faster than the wannab's and the nobodys. A little secret, even if your the strongest, the fastes, the best shot, etc.... you wont be promoed and faster than the other guys if you dont have team play. meanint that you have to help the weaker get through, even if it makes your times, and assingments a little harder. They see that and reconise that more than a show off who tries to out do the other guy. I am in the infantry and I have trained with the US army and Marines a few times. We are all similar and are trained very much alike. I recomend if you want to do it, go for it. If yo only want to do it to get out of shit with the law, dont bother wasting your time. You wont have the heart or the drive to do it right and youll end up getting in more dshit than you can deal with.

[Mesomorphyl]

Im not to sure about in the states, But here in Canada, Im proud to be a soldier, to those that are telling you not to do it, tell them to stick it up there ass.

Easy for a canadian to say while sitting comfortably in your barkalounger.

I am proud to have served my country, but I would suggest against it if he were part of my family. My uncles and my grandfathers served in Vietnam and WW2 respectively, I kinda followed their footsteps via the first part of the gulf conflict.

[goodcents]

He's not joining the military. He likes all the stuff he has now. Steriods , hot chicks, etc. he wont be getting any of that Life is too good for him compared to the nothing he would have in the military That dui will fade fast

[Superhuman]

actually it's already been set up... I'm going to court to pay my fine for a plea of NO CONTEST to reckless driving and then I will go to MEPS where I will make sure I get the job I want (which will be Special Ops) and possibly a $10k enlistment bonus.

[Snrf]

Dude a DUI would in no way affect a future political career, half of congress have had DUIs

here's Bush's DUI
http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...1/02/bush.dui/

here's cheneys
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

so if the two most powerful men in the US both have DUI's I wouldn't worry about it.

[Mesomorphyl]

actually it's already been set up... I'm going to court to pay my fine for a plea of NO CONTEST to reckless driving and then I will go to MEPS where I will make sure I get the job I want (which will be Special Ops) and possibly a $10k enlistment bonus.

If that is what you want... been set up dont mean shyt until the second time raising your hand to swear in... then its just done. Good luck and godspeed.

[Yesevil]

I have been looking at the guard to join, deployment's are 90% voluntary from what I understand. I have a criminal record,there is no way you would get security clearence for what you want. I scored high on the ASVAB also,doesn't matter. I qualified for 98% of the MOS and the one I could get with a big bonus was heavey equipment operater. I have a 5 year old son and my wife is 7 month's pregneant with a girl so I am starting to think it is a bad idea. Good luck man

Deployments are NOT voluntary! You go when they tell you to go. Trust me.

[Yesevil]

I have been looking at the guard to join, deployment's are 90% voluntary from what I understand. I have a criminal record,there is no way you would get security clearence for what you want. I scored high on the ASVAB also,doesn't matter. I qualified for 98% of the MOS and the one I could get with a big bonus was heavey equipment operater. I have a 5 year old son and my wife is 7 month's pregneant with a girl so I am starting to think it is a bad idea. Good luck man

Deployments are NOT voluntary! You go when they tell you to go. Trust me.

[Yesevil]

actually it's already been set up... I'm going to court to pay my fine for a plea of NO CONTEST to reckless driving and then I will go to MEPS where I will make sure I get the job I want (which will be Special Ops) and possibly a $10k enlistment bonus.

If that is what you really want to do PM me and I will tell you all about the training you will be doing. I already did it all up to Q course. I'll tell you this, it will be the hardest thing that you've ever done but it will change you, FOREVER! There will be times that you'll be asking yourself why the fvck did I do this. But the payoff is worth it. Anyone who ever served and had to wonder if they were going to be alive tomorrow can tell you that life after that will never be the same. You'll appreciate every day that your alive. All the naysayers are entitled to their opinion and you'll never convince them otherwise so I wont say anymore on here. PM me for more info.

[carguy_z28]

[QUOTE=Mesomorphyl]Easy for a canadian to say while sitting comfortably in your barkalounger.

Sounds like you dont know what the hell your talking about. Id gladly go over and fight, I have no problem doing that at all. Just cause my government is a bunch of pussies and sit on there ass jerking off to gay porn, doesnt mean that our soldiers dont want to go. And I too have folowed my fathers and grandfathers footsteps, and Im proud of it.

[JJP480]

I am in the Army and love it . I was a pilot before and gave up the cushy life to live hard and push myself to the limit . You do your time , shine and the " good goes " will come your way . High speed courses and if your brain is wired right special ops wont take too long to achieve .
It is not impossible to train and stay large . It just takes more discipline and abit of ingenuity .
AND...... I am not a young buck ! I am 35 and can destroy 75% of those young punks in Physical Training .
If you are an extremist and like to push yourself to the edge and then go a little farther then you might like it .
Lots of boring times and shit jobs but you will experience things the normal man will never .
You also will be in a brotherhood that few can truly belong to in entirety .
Oh ya..... HELLO you get chicks from all over the world you can bang .

[JDawg1536]

actually it's already been set up... I'm going to court to pay my fine for a plea of NO CONTEST to reckless driving and then I will go to MEPS where I will make sure I get the job I want (which will be Special Ops) and possibly a $10k enlistment bonus.

For spec ops you usually have to pass a physical test before you are guaranteed a chance to make it (not guaranteed the job). How are you at swimming 5000 meters? What about running 15 miles? At 240lbs I would say not very good. Not to discourage you but if you take a look at a spec ops soldier or army ranger or whatever, they are not 6'2+ 230lbs+. How are you at flipping burgers in the mess hall? Thats what you will be asking yourself if you fail the pipeline.

[Yesevil]

For spec ops you usually have to pass a physical test before you are guaranteed a chance to make it (not guaranteed the job). How are you at swimming 5000 meters? What about running 15 miles? At 240lbs I would say not very good. Not to discourage you but if you take a look at a spec ops soldier or army ranger or whatever, they are not 6'2+ 230lbs+. How are you at flipping burgers in the mess hall? Thats what you will be asking yourself if you fail the pipeline.

Your wrong, if he washes out of SF training or Ranger Indoctrination Program he will go to the infantry as he will have already completed Infantrymans training. And there are lots of SF guys and Rangers that are 6'2" 230+ lbs. You do alot of weight training in Spec ops after you complete your training. And you don't start out running 15 miles and swimming 5000 mtrs. You go to basic first and Infantryman school with all the other fat lazy 18 year olds. Don't let this guy or anybody discourage you, he doesn't know WTF he is talking about. If your mind and heart want it your drill sergeant and sergeant airborne will make sure your body is able to do it. But it starts in your mind.

[JDawg1536]

Your wrong, if he washes out of SF training or Ranger Indoctrination Program he will go to the infantry as he will have already completed Infantrymans training. And there are lots of SF guys and Rangers that are 6'2" 230+ lbs. You do alot of weight training in Spec ops after you complete your training. And you don't start out running 15 miles and swimming 5000 mtrs. You go to basic first and Infantryman school with all the other fat lazy 18 year olds. Don't let this guy or anybody discourage you, he doesn't know WTF he is talking about. If your mind and heart want it your drill sergeant and sergeant airborne will make sure your body is able to do it. But it starts in your mind.

Maybe thats how they do it in the army, but he never said thats what he decided on. And sure there are "lots" of spec ops soldiers that big, but how many of them went in that big? Im attached to a spec ops unit, so I do know a little bit, but thanks for your $.02 on my knowledge.

[Yesevil]

Maybe thats how they do it in the army, but he never said thats what he decided on. And sure there are "lots" of spec ops soldiers that big, but how many of them went in that big? Im attached to a spec ops unit, so I do know a little bit, but thanks for your $.02 on my knowledge.

That is how they do it in the army. I think he did say that's the service he is going into. I wasn't trying to diss you though I just don't want this guy to get discouraged. You must be Marine or Navy, right? I can tell because you called it a mess hall. We call it a Chow Hall. LOL. The little things huh? Anyway, hope you didn't take my comment personaly. I went in at 5'8" 210 and I didn't have too much trouble. But that's just me. I'd think a 6 foot plus guy would be better off. If you haven't gone through the training how can you tell this guy to reconsider though? Or tell him he's gonna wind up slinging hash in the chow hall? Attached to SF doesn't = in SF.

[cj1capp]

hmm, thanks for the info so far. just so u know, the reason i would be going in Enlisted is because I have a DUI trial coming up and there is the potential for the judge/prosecutor to drop the charges if I join the military - and I've been thinking of going in anyway. I scored very high on my ASVAB so I should be able to get any job I want... I was told that I can have the recruiter sign a contract guaranteeing me a specific position, is that true?

yes if its in your contract you will be given the chance to do what ever job you wanted, if you dont complete the school then you can end up in any job

[Superhuman]

okay just so everyone knows I am going Air Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Special_Tactics

For your information JDawg right now I'm actually weighing 250lbs and last month after having not done cardio for 5 months I ran a 5:30 mile. I don't think i'll have any problems. I'm not just some meathead. I got a 95 on my ASVAB 2 years ago and the only questions I missed were regarding mechanics.

[DNoMac]

Im not to sure about in the states, But here in Canada, Im proud to be a soldier, to those that are telling you not to do it, tell them to stick it up there ass. But if you do it, make sure you do it because you want to, dont do it to get out of a charge. And another thing, your life isnt over when you sighn the contract. Yeah, for the first 16 weeks of basic, its hard, they will try to break you and make you into what they want you to be. And DONT listen to the reqruter!!! There job is to tell you what you want to hear to get you in. I was told and promised a lot of shit that did not even remotly happen. Talk to some of the others on here that have been or may be in the armed forces, get your info strait. Dont listen to the guys who havent been in and think they know what there talking about, its not all bad, if your good enough, then youll get your ranking faster than the wannab's and the nobodys. A little secret, even if your the strongest, the fastes, the best shot, etc.... you wont be promoed and faster than the other guys if you dont have team play. meanint that you have to help the weaker get through, even if it makes your times, and assingments a little harder. They see that and reconise that more than a show off who tries to out do the other guy. I am in the infantry and I have trained with the US army and Marines a few times. We are all similar and are trained very much alike. I recomend if you want to do it, go for it. If yo only want to do it to get out of shit with the law, dont bother wasting your time. You wont have the heart or the drive to do it right and youll end up getting in more dshit than you can deal with.

Have you ever been deployed? Not hating, just curious if you have. Btw, good advice.